Modern Bibles - The Judgement - Part V

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  • Perry
    Perry

    THE JUDGMENT

    It is important to realize that we are not now living in a period of time known as Judgment Day as the Watchtower teaches. By them placing Christ's coming in 1914 they can conveniently teach that we have been living in a sort of Judgnent Day since that time; and of course the judgment is swayed one way or another by how people respond to WT literature.

    However, this doesn’t mean that there will be no judgment as the politically correct New Age do-gooders teach either. It just means that since the Cross, the human race has been living under an arrangement called God’s Grace governed by the precept, “for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

    Nevertheless, reducing Judgment Day to an evaluation of how people respond to Watchtower literature has the same net result as teaching that a God of love won’t judge sinners. That result is this: Zero fear of God.

    Think: If God has the power to judge and punish sinners but never does so, would not that make him a crooked judge and a sharer in sin?

    I believe we all start out in trouble with God for at least 4 different reasons.

    1. PERSONAL - We have all broken Gods laws in the Ten Commandments. God must mete out the punishment prescribed for each offense. Someone must pay the fines.

    2. ANCESTRAL - We are under the SIN of Adam and are born outside of God’s family into a race that has been deemed God’s enemy. (Col. 1: 21)

    3. COLLECTIVE - “GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH” was betrayed and murdered by not only his own covenant people, but by gentiles as well; hence, a representation of all mankind, Jew and Gentile. So, by extension we are also his executioners because we are all opposed to God’s authority according to our fallen human natures. You and I are the ones who shoved that spear into his side. You and I are the ones who shoved that crown of thorns down onto his head. You and I are the ones who cried out, “We have no king but Caesar”!

    4. ETHICAL – Even if God were to set aside all his laws on Judgement Day, pay the ransom due for Adam, and forgive our collective guilt, we are still faced with our own violations of personal creed. How many atheists have said to themselves that they do not want to lie, steal and cheat and then go on to do just that on occasion? How many of us who are guilty of ever stealing something, called the police and demanded justice when we were defrauded? Surely justice demands that we receive the same punishment that we would personally mete out to others, wouldn’t you agree?

    By my measure, our guilt runs very deep and wide. There does not seem to be room for a righteous, holy and just God on the one hand and also room for mankind on the other.

    The road to Judgment Day is this: The bible teaches that originally when all people died, their spirit went to a place called Hell. Initially, there were two major parts to it…one was a place of paradise and the other was an uncomfortable place of varying degrees of torment. (Luke 16:23). The Paradise portion was emptied after the Cross (Ephesians 4:8). Now, when a believer dies there is no waiting area or delay. His spirit is commuted immediately and directly to the Lord’s presence. (2 Cor. 5:8)

    So, Hell has never been nor was intended to be the final destination for unregenerate mankind. It is not exactly the “lake of fire” (gehenna) either. Hell is like a holding cell that defendants are kept in until their trial starts on Judgment Day. For the believer, their trial was declared, “it is finished” upon the Cross itself. For the unbeliever, they must continue to wait in Hell until the appointed time of Judgment. I am quite sure that the Rich Man of Luke 16 is still there and is still just as uncomfortable.

    Prior to each man or woman’s trial, and after the Thousand Year reign of Christ on earth, the total person including his or her body is resurrected. This is part of the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous.

    …the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished – Rev. 20:5

    In your own resurrected body, all men and women will physically “stand” before God and receive His judgment:

    … we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ – Rom. 14;10

    That no flesh should glory in his presence – 1 Cor. 1:29

    …that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. – Romans 3: 19

    And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; …And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: …the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. - Rev. 20: 11-13

    All of your works have been recorded just as all of God’s laws have been recorded. At that time, all violations will be addressed and all accounts will be balanced and forever settled. Just as our appointed judges in our traffic courts do not want to hear all of your good works when determining if a traffic violation has occurred, I suspect so too your “good” works will be irrelevant to the evidence presented against you concerning your violations of God’s laws as given to Moses and further clarified by Jesus. (Matthew 5: 28)

    To avoid the embarrassing and devastating consequences of such a trial, God has provided a Savior to intercede and pay the fines in full that are due each sinner. Case dismissed. However, if that provision is rejected, then the trial must proceed accordingly.

    "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust from under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the Day of Judgment, than for that city." (Mark 6:11)

    Things run a little differently in Heavenly Court than in many earthy courtrooms. Jesus is not only your court appointed lawyer, He is also your Judge. So, if you were to enter into a “plea” agreement with Him NOW, you can be absolutely sure that it is acceptable to the Judge as well, since they are one and the same.

    Anyone who has ever faced a trial knows that a good attorney is critical to a favorable result. Jesus is man’s attorney and advocate… his Mediator. It would be the height of all possible foolishness to turn his services down and attempt to represent yourself, or try and gain acquittal by means of another mediator who is just as guilty as you are, if not more. (Matthew 15:14)

    References to a final Day of Judgment are often missing in new bible versions. New Agers teach that, since God is love, He does not judge anyone. This of course would make God partially responsible for lawlessness. The pointing out of this faulty logic doesn’t seem to stop much of post-modern man from scoffing and being offended at the very idea of accountability and punishment, although he demands as much from his neighbor.

    Here again, the enemy seems to seek to remove the idea of guilt and an actual judgment day so as not to frighten sinners into looking for a way out of their predicament and possibly ending up on their knees at the foot of the cross where they should be.

    SCRIPTUREKJVNASBNIVNWT
    Matthew 5:21in danger of the judgmentliable to the courtsubject to judgmentaccountable to the court of justice
    2 Peter 2:9The Lord knoweth how to … reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punishedthe Lord knows how to…keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgmentthe Lord knows how to…hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishmentJehovah knows how to… reserve unrighteous people for the day of judgment to be cut off
    Daniel 7:10the judgment was setThe court satThe court was seatedThe Court took its seat
    Mark 6:11the day of judgmentomittedomittedomitted
    Luke 17:36Two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken and the other left.omitted (marginal note)omitted (footnote)omitted
    Revelation 6:17day of his wrathday of their wrathday of their wrathday of their wrath
    Revelation 12:12Woe to the inhabiters of the earthwoe to the earthwoe to the earthWoe for the earth
    Revelation 15:4thy judgments are made manifestthy righteous acts have been revealedyour righteous acts have been revealedyour judgments have been manifested
    Hebrews 9:27it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgmentit is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgmentman is destined to die once, and after that to face judgmentit is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this a judgment
    I Corinthians 5:11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade menTherefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade menSince, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade menKnowing, therefore, the fear of the Lord, we keep persuading men
    Romans 3:19that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to Godso that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to Godso that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become liable to God for punishment
    Revelation 22:19if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of lifeif anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of lifeif anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of lifeif anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life
    Luke 7:30rejected the counsel of God against themselvesrejected God’s purpose for themselvesrejected God’s purpose for themselvesdisregarded the counsel of God to them
    James 2:10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of allFor whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of itFor whoever observes all the Law but makes a false step in one point, he has become an offender against them all
  • godadist
    godadist
    Here again, the enemy seems to seek to remove the idea of guilt and an actual judgment day so as not to frighten sinners into looking for a way out of their predicament and possibly ending up on their knees at the foot of the cross where they should be.

    With the exception of the NWT, I fail to see a conspiracy regarding Bible translations that you list.

  • Eyes Open
  • Perry
    Perry

    godatist,

    That may be. I see a sort of doctrinal slippery slope. No question that the NWT represents an abomination though.

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    Perry

    I can see why you would want to have some of our current discussion on Atonement here on this thread. For the sake of simplicity, lets keep it over there and combine the two arguments. (if thats cool with you...)

    I will talk a little more after you respond to my answers to your questions, but the idea of judgement is one that lights the fire's of all religons. I can't accept your premises here about man's culpability to god if you will because again, the 10 commandments were written well after man had shown evidence that they were to die. As taught in the NT, it is Adam's sin that needed a ransom, or atonement, and the 10 commandments came several thousand years after Adam's sin. (if you believe that) Today, the 10 commandments are irrelevant to a Christian. The Sabbath? Paul said that was done away with. Even Jesus (supposedly) said that he came to fullfill the law. So while as many have said before and will say in the future, the 10 commandments have some good points to them, they simply can't be accepted at face value as a standard for conduct.

    If the law was made in gods purpose to make sins manifest and as a tutor leading to Christ, then we have a lot of issues that can be raised. Here is Galatians 3:19 in several translations

    The Living Bible: Well then, why were the laws given? They were added after the promise was given, to show men how guilty they are of breaking God's laws. But this system of law was to last only until the coming of Christ, the Child to whom God's promise was made. (And there is this further difference. God gave his laws to angels to give to Moses, who then gave them to the people;

    American Standard: What then is the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise hath been made; and it was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.

    Youngs Bible Why, then, the law? on account of the transgressions it was added, till the seed might come to which the promise hath been made, having been set in order through messengers in the hand of a mediator -

    My point? Simply that yes, to sin, you need a standard set up by someone. The Jews had one, and the Christians claimed it, tweaked it, added to it and took some away. I am sure that you must get tired of hearing this, but MAN WROTE THE BIBLE. (again, CAPS for emphasis, not trying to be a jerk) You assume that God inspired this. Inspiration or being spirit directed is a claim that the GB of JW's made. Their evidence is just as good as your's to be honest with you. Who invented sin? The standard? MAN. And just like JW's use their own standards of right and wrong and claim it to be gods, so the 10 commandments, or the Pauline letters used "sin" for one purpose. Control. Simply put, you don't have an option to argue the point. You must accept it or you will _______ (fill in the blank; be disfellowshipped by JW's, stoned to death by Jews, or put in hell for some length of time, perhaps forever by Christ.) Control.

    I don't mean this to be disrespectful of your personal beliefs. I am sure you don't quite see it the way I do. But that is why sin is such an interesting theological subject for me. I do believe that there are ethics and right and wrong, and these are demonstrated in nature and everyday life. But to attach our so called eternal life on pleasing an invisible deity who is offended by certain conduct that quite frankly, can only hurt the invisible deity's feelings raises questions that require an answer.

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