I will be insane soon. Conditional love. Thought terminating cliches.

by easyreader1970 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • easyreader1970
    easyreader1970

    When I first started to doubt the Watchtower, I thought they were just a bit misguided. This was some years ago. But I felt like maybe they had most of it right and that things would sort themselves out in the end. Later on, I felt that they had a great many things wrong but their hearts were in the right places. I could see why people would not want to be a part of the Organization but I didn't personally have any animosity towards the Society. I have reached the point now--after doing months and months of reading, listening, and other research--that I hate them. Not the rank-and-file. Most of them are pretty cool people. It's the Big O that I hate. The All-Seeing Eye. The people that sit in the ivory tower in Brooklyn who don't have even a toe in reality, yes, I am talking about them.

    I couldn't understand the motivation for their deceit at first. Was it money? Control? Power? Pride?

    I don't even care anymore. Harboring all of the feelings I have now is making me crazy. I guess eventually my brain will explode.

    The thing I hate worst of all? Is that they teach conditional love. My wife loves me. I am sure of it. Yet I can't talk to her about my innermost feelings because if I do, she has been obligated to report me to the elders who will then force me to disassociate myself or whatever their terminology is these days. This requires for my wife to pretty much quit having anything to do with me. I find this to be the most evil thing of all the things that they do, even worse than the rejection of blood transfusions.

    The Witnesses refuse to use their brains because the Watchtower fills every article, paragraph, talk, booklet, tract, magazine, and brochure with thought terminating cliches. You know them.

    Trust in Jehovah. Jehovah has a plan. Trust in the faithful discreet slave class. Jehovah is our grand creator. There are many, many more.

    All of these statements basically kill any argument or debate, especially when the Watchtower side is the side that makes no sense. If you still insist on pushing, now you're creating disunity in the organization by not willfully submitting.

    Psychologically, I have just had it and I can't take it anymore. The meetings are a joke to me now. I just sit there and look at the expressions on some other people's faces. Some of them sit there paying attention as if their life depended on it, others are just fidgeting waiting for the meeting to end, others go wander the lobby to pass the time, some are sleeping. I bet that some of them are thinking the same thing I am thinking but are trapped in exactly the same way. So there is also pain.

    er

  • hillbilly
    hillbilly

    that cognitive stuff really works! There is a point were every thinking person will give up and walk out... it starts when you admit "this aint making sense".

    I feel bad for those who are thinking... but 'faith' keeps getting in the way.

    ~Jeff

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead

    I think you need to make a move at some point...

    How strong is yor wife's love for you? Are you sure she will turn you in? Maybe she harbours doubts too..

    Can you do some "family study" with her and "stumble" across something incriminating? (i.e. 1919 teachings, no paradise earth in Bible, etc)

    You can't go on like this forever... you will go insane.

  • dobbie
    dobbie

    Sorry you are going through this. We know all about the conditional love , hubbys family have already told him that they will never put him or any other family member first, the religio/God ismore important. This is now why i call them a mind controlling cult.

    Have you actually tried talking with your wife? I got to the point where although i wasn't sure what my husband would do, i had to leave the religion even if it did mean us splitting up. Thankfully he believes as i do that family comes first before anything on earth but i got to the state where i was ready for us to part if it meant breaking away from the jws. It was actually making me feel constantly sick the last few months, in the end i think the stress of it all just gets to you. Hugs xx

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Is there ANY Watchtower policy, doctrine or rule that she disagrees with?

    That can be a starting point of common ground.

    How much of your "non-conforming" hand have you shown her so far?

    om

  • journey-on
    journey-on
    Yet I can't talk to her about my innermost feelings

    This is the saddest part and exactly the way I feel with my JW sister. We can't discuss our innermost feelings

    with each other.....or rather, I can't. I can't tell her things a sister should be able to talk to her fleshly sister about,

    and that wedge between us is the WTS. Our talk is small talk and never goes deep to the heart and soul where two

    people that love each other should be able go. I can't imagine how hard it would be with a spouse to have to keep your

    thoughts hidden.

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    Don't give up! Have you started missing meetings yet? I know at the end of my time spent in the meetings, I wanted to scream aloud and run out. I had to slowly fade from meetings and when I did go, I read something else rather than listen. I often read the Bible which irritated those around me.

    I couldn't talk to my dub husband about anything either. It is a very discouraging feeling. I took it slow and let him see the extreme emotional pain that I was feeling about the whole situation. I let him know about things that disturbed me one at a time, as he chose to listen.

    It may take a lot of time and patience, but we have worked out a peaceful and close relationship. He knows I am on here and also my personal, deep thoughts again. Things can work out and I hope they do for you and your wife.

    I do think you need to start missing some meetings before your brain explodes.

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse

    I can sympathise. I have recently told my husband but in my case although he won't look at apostate sources he is respecting my right to find support with others and not turn me in. That's more than I could have hoped for.

    I had reached the brain exploding point when I decided to tell him. Hardest thing I've ever done.

    Mickey.

  • easyreader1970
    easyreader1970

    She is a tough cookie to crack. She is gung ho for the Watchtower. I find myself constantly trying to find a crack that I can get a wedge into but I can't. The Watchtower does a good job of filling holes with the "thought terminating cliches". Basically, Witnesses are instructed to shut down if they are faced with certain statements or to scream apostasy at the top of their lungs. I find myself waiting for the WBTS to slip up, but in such an obvious way that not even she can ignore it.

    I did bring up the 1914/generation change thing but she shrugged that off. The end of the book study, she shrugged that one off, too. She was a little on edge about that book study change for a minute but some elder made her feel better about it so that opportunity was lost. I tried sneaking in some comments about education but the way the Watchtower wins that battle is simply by saying that spending your time "serving Jehovah" is better than spending your time "going to school." As a side note, she has been to college and she agrees with the WBTS in that the social course are very anti-theist.

    I have some Witness relatives that are a bit less hardcore that I can discuss some things with and they participate in discussion about them. Like Charles Taze Russell's dabblings in pyramidology or the generation change being a stalling tactic. But my wife would immediately dismiss any of this as clear apostasy and I would be brought before elders to be charged with such.

    If it was just my wife, I might be able to come out and say some things but knowing what her reaction might be and how this might also change the relationship I have with my children, I am very hesitant.

    er

  • sweet pea
    sweet pea

    Have you tried "I just can't fathom why the Society teach that Jesus ISN'T our mediator"?

    It worked on me.

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