Update...My "bible" study with the wife...Jesus is Michael?

So, it's Sunday morning and the wife is going thru the routine to go to the meeting(I quit going 2 months ago). We agreed that she'd not do field service on Sundays, it's now "our" day. So I suggested as she leaves that we'd discuss the JW belief that Jesus is archangel Michael when she came back. Around 2pm, we head to the basement computer for our study & I pull up the JW's for Jehovah God website http://www.4jehovah.org/card-jwjesusresurrect.php , then http://www.4jehovah.org/jehovahs-witness-archangel.php and Bible Gateway and start reading (she's got her trusty NWT) So we do the comparisons & she listens(without the 1000 yard stare). I'm amazed!! Now it's her turn, and she takes me to Proverbs in the OT http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%208:22-26;&version=50; to account for Michael's existence, but found her own fatal flaw...that even in her interpretation the "one" being referred to was indeed Jesus. We then reviewed Revelation and the appearance of Jesus "with the voice of an archangel with the trumpet of God". I explained that the fact that Jesus is coming with the archangel's voice doesn't mean that He is the archangel, notiing that the verse also says also says that Jesus is coming with God's trumpet, but I wouldn't argue that Jesus is God simply because He is coming with God's trumpet. I pointed to the Trinity issue she once disproved to me, by saying "You can't have it both ways can you?" She grew a little silent, realizing that the FDS interpretation might actually be man-made.

In the past, we've had knock-down drag out battles about biblical issues, but today was different. I showed repect for her knowledge, but was able to hold my ground. The study was a grueling 5 hours, discussing not only that issue, but she actually viewed a few falicies set forth by the WTBS on JWD (I showed her most of Awakened@Giliead's profile) and we briefly discussed Captives of a Concept (I'm going to try to get her to read it). I'm so glad I heeded advice from those of you who said "be patient".

She showed me some of her spiritual side, though she loves to do FS, she does not always agree with everything the FDS says, and admitted when she has a problem with something, she will speak out about it to some one in the congregation. I asked if she get the answers, or if she's told it will come in time. She said it's usually the latter(of course that's the FDS buying time till she forgets, or it becomes a non-issue). As best I can tell, this is not one of those congos where the BOE freaks out because someone has a doubt or two.

At the end of the discussion, I asked her, "so when food or doctrine is given from the FDS, it is coming from?" And her answer was "Man"

I told her that I can accept her as a witness, as long as she understands that the WTBS is not what it appears to be. I'm beginning to think she does.

The question; Do you think this JW wife of mine may one day see clearly? Now that we can discuss JW doctrines calmly without WW3, what is my next issue to discuss?

Thanx,

KZJW

insearchoftruth

Wow, sounds like some wonderful progress has been made, am quite envious!!

I believe my wife is in the 'honeymoon' phase right now, I am hoping that in the near future she gets a bit easier to talk to about this.

How would it be to discuss blood, the changes in the fractions one can accept, how one can accept an organ transplant and that is not cannibalism and also where in 1 Samual 14:32-32, where in an emergency men were provided forgiveness for eating blood....

I am very happy for you KZJW

jgnat

Awesome, kzjw. I like how you took the time to engage the genuine person rather than the robot. Your words hit home.

As for the next topic, blood sounds good. But you could also take the lead from your wife for what might be most important to her.

The judicial process as practiced by the Witnesses also does not hold water, biblically speaking. It should not be secret. All should be open in front of the entire congregation. Everyone knows why the person is being disciplined. I suspect if JC's were practiced biblically, far fewer people would be expelled.

Then there's the restoration process. There's absolutley no foundation for a prolonged, punishing return. Forgiveness is virtually instantaneous.

dawg

'At the end of the discussion, I asked her, "so when food or doctrine is given from the FDS, it is coming from?" And her answer was "Man"'....

Next topic, ask her why you can get dis-fellowshipped for not going along with man made doctrines. The WTBTS seems to think they are God, because questioning them is "apostasy"... this clearly isn't biblical.

kzjw

Thanx 4 reading past the double post...the blood issue is erally touchy -- her mom had surgery adn when a nurse came forth during the surgery to ask about just making an addition to the blood to avoid clotting, she quickly dismissed the nurse with no hesitation. I'm not even sure she knows of the changes in the blood doctrine. I am however hoping we can have our studies weekly.

kzjw

civicsi00

As long as she continues to have contact with JW's, you run the risk of losing her. JW's have a way of softly mind-controlling almost anyone in their midst. Be wary of that...

You are doing a great job by being patient with her, but if she "has a problem about something" and "will ask someone at the congregation about it", JW's are very cunning experts at twisting anything in their direction.

insearchoftruth

I concur with what civicsi00 says about the contact with the jws, this is my wife's third flirtation with the jws in the past three years, and this is after she had been saying some pretty bad things about her upbringing in the borg during the last year......they showed up at the door, she called her father, and here I am....again!

Update...My "bible" study with the wife...Jesus is Michael?

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