Could it be... Satan?

by JimmyPage 8 Replies latest jw friends

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  JimmyPage

  Recently I saw a thread linking Satanic ritual abuse with Jehovah's Witnesses.

  My first thought was this had to be sensational bullcrap. But I was intrigued so I decided to look further.

  Apparently there is a ritual among Satanists to reject Christ's sacrifice. That makes sense.

  For Jehovah's Witnesses, it was reasoned, that ritual is carried out every year at the Memorial when nearly everyone rejects the bread and the wine.

  Still thinking the idea was improbable, I then realized: look who started this whole religion- a pyramidologist. A guy with possible Freemason connections (cross and crown anyone? Illuminati anyone?)

  A basic whack job, yes, but was Satanism completely unlikely? After all, one of the books recommended early on in the Watchtower as good reading was an account supposedly given to man by fallen angels ("Angels and Women"). And one of the translators for the Society's version of the Bible was allegedly associated with the occult (Johannes Greber).

  Maybe this has all been covered before but any further thoughts on this would, I think, make for a pretty lively discussion!
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  yknot

  However.....

  It was Rutherford who stopped the partaking because the IBSA membership numbers were growing and would eventually exceed 144,000.

  To make try and keep the anointed numbers below 144,000 he said there had been a sealing in 1935.

  I think the mediation legal gooblygop was just for grandstanding purposes.
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  jamiebowers

  Satanic rituals and jws was a topic for discussion on tonight's conference call. Though accusations have been made about ritualistic abuse of children by jws, nothing has been proven. But I've been thinking about this since Cammy posted on the subject on JWS a few days ago. IMHO, Satanic activity by the WB&TS has already been proven by the sex abuse law suits that have been brought against them, because there is nothing more evil than the victimization of a child. Even prison inmates realize that.

  So, whether or not these bastards are really black robe wearing, blood drinking, animal sacrificing weirdos who dance around a fire in an underground tunnel doesn't really matter. By refusing to change their policies on protecting pedophiles by requiring two witnesses and not reporting child abuse to the police as the crime that it is, they are vile and disgusting at best.
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  yknot

  Well if I remember correctly I believe a woman who as since passed away said she and two others were abused by Ted.

  I think Ted's experience with being accused my have influence over the handling of the matter. The WTS used to settle more quickly and with far less publicity.

  Perhaps this too will change with his passing someday.

  I would like to see them identified, restricted and watched.......... I do however believe some cases should be given a break, specifically consensual statutory rape where say the boy was 18 and she was 15. I don't know many 18 year old boys who really grasp 'jail bait'. All they see is a cute freshman, who more then likely is equally enamored with the senior. .... seen it happen every year of high school!
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  betterdaze

  ***It was Rutherford who stopped the partaking***
  
  This is so. It was also Rutherford and his ilk who were sent to prison, and the Society practically ceased functioning.
  
  They were darn near broke, a shell of the vibrant publishing concern the Russellites had built up.
  
  Someone came through with a cash infusion. Who or whatever benefactor that was, I'm fairly sure, has been in charge,
  behind the scenes, ever since. I hate to say this without having a source from WT material, so give me time to look it up?
  
  And yeah, rejecting the "emblems" at Memorial time always struck me as some sort of "backwards" mass. I was allowed
  to attend my Roman Catholic family's weddings and funerals, so I saw the difference at an early age, and never could
  reconcile how we (as JWs) just passed the stuff around, while spending so much talk and time over the "chosen ones."
  
  Where the Catholics partook and were joined together as Christ's church, we talked about it, focused not on Jesus but the
  "anointed," and how we were NOT anointed, then rejected Christ's sacrifice altogether.
  
  It was a shoddy arrangement that never rang true to me, and one the the paramount reasons I could never become baptized JW.
  
  ~Sue
  
  P.S.: I reject the freemason/ Illuminati connection. Examine U.S. media history in that era. Zion's WT was right in line, nothing new.
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  betterdaze

  Okey-doke, here we go. Back when I was studying WT history, I always wanted to start a topic here titled, "WHO was George?" Now that JWD is running down I'll post it on this thread.
  
  Excerpted from MacMillan's "Faith on the March." (Someone please inform us if this source is inaccurate.)
  
  http://www.e-cepher.com/books/fotm/8faith.html#109
  
  One morning a man walked into our office. There was no special entrance there and nobody at the door as receptionist. You could walk right into the office. I looked up from my desk and there he was--a man who had been associated with the work for many years and whom I knew well. He was a man of considerable means from one of the Southern states. He motioned for me to come out to see him and we went into a room we had fixed up as a living room or parlor.
  
  "Who's in charge of the work here, Brother Mac," he asked. I told him.
  "Is Brother Rutherford here?"
  "No, he's in California. But Brother Van is here and Brother Wise and the rest of us."
  He said, "Have you got a private room here?"
  "Well, we'll lock this door. This is private. What do you want to do George?"
  
  He began to take his shirt off as I talked to him. I thought he had gone crazy. He looked a little dirty and travel-worn, whereas ordinarily he was a tiny and well-kept man. When he got down to undershirt he wanted a knife. Then he cut out a little patch he had on there and took out a bundle of money. It was about $10,000 in bills.
  
  He put it down and said, "That'll help you to get this work started. I wouldn't send a check because I didn't know who was here. I didn't travel in a sleeper because I didn't want anybody to come and take this away from me if they suspected I had it, so I sat up all night. I didn't know who was in charge if the work. But now that I see you brothers here whom I know and I trust, I am glad that I came!"
  
  * * *
  
  So, who was George? Who was this great benefactor who got "the work" started again, and how did he have $10,000 in bills at that time? What entity was behind "George" and his vast wealth? Hmmm?
  
  ~Sue
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  Witness 007

  So who WAS George I don't get it????......Is George Satan?
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  JimmyPage

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  betterdaze

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