Varying degrees of JW misery

by fern 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • fern
    fern

    Since joining this forum, I have noticed the varying degrees of JW misery that people have experienced. With a religion that is supposedly so accross the board and regimented, there seems to be a lot of difference in strictness on certain rules, etc.

    I have many times talked about my unhappy childhood growing up as a JW but since joining this forum I can honestly say, I didn't have it nearly as bad as some who's stories I have read. There was no incest or sexual abuse that I now of, and the attitude towards DFing was a little bit more relaxed. For instance, my mother allowed us kids to visit our DFed father every other weekend and as far as I know, nobody ever gaver her grief about it. There were a few instances of elders being real a-holes but for the most part, they were ok and doing what they thought was best. Anyone who has moved around a lot noticed this at all?

    fern

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    This is due to different interpretations of rules. For instance, the slimebag that dragged me into the cancer would not take no for an answer. This lowlife tried to make me throw away all my records under threat that my house would be destroyed at Armageddon. He would tell me what I could wear at boasting sessions, beyond normal (and it had better be dry cleaned every few days). He wanted my hair cut just like his (short, every 6 weeks). He wanted me to use liquid laundry soap (and that was before the stuff improved so it was as good as powders). He wanted me to spend $20 on a call book and inserts for calls when a cheap notepad would have done as well.

    He also wanted me out in field circus all the time. I worked evenings until 1 AM at the time, making getting up for 9 AM difficult. Seems he only needed about 4 hours' sleep a night, so he couldn't see why I needed more (I am more normal and not on Prozac). He got me out at 1 PM the first day, and put the promise in my mouth that I would be back at 9 AM the next morning (I told him I would not be able to make it that early without undue hardship, sensing that I would be required to be out that early all the time if I made one exception). His goal was to herd me into lifelong celibacy, make me join the Value Destroyer Training School, and make the whole religion encompass the whole world (and then work on building his cult within a cult).

    At the same time, I have noticed others within the same congregation that were not as regimented. There was one couple, I estimate in their 50s at the time, that had a more liberal stand on music. They would listen to songs that my teacher soundly condemned, without incident. And I found that others were doing things that I was condemned for and getting away with it: putting up winter decorations in the form of snowflakes and icicles out, singing the winter songs Jingle Bells and Jingle Bell Rock (two songs that are often associated with Christmas but are technically winter songs), listening to music that was "questionable" but not blatantly bad, and even playing that game where you use the crane to extract a toy from the bin. I even saw the group that I went to my first Grand Boasting Session with extracting the fortune out of the fortune cookies and reading them (I would have been put out instantly for that).

    As for children, I have seen both extremes. Some parents have zero tolerance for things that the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger frowns on, and often go beyond what they say. For them, they have zero fun. They spend weekends out in field circus from the time they are babies on. They cannot play with worldly people. They have to waste recess and lunch trying to bring worldly people into the cancer. They don't get to do anything after school. They have zero records, except Kingdumb Maladies. There is no leeway for those children to develop or to go out of bounds.

    Other children have more liberal parents. They have substitutes for Christmas and birthdays. They are allowed to play with children in supervised settings, such as school. They are as likely to be out of town, on a camping trip, on at least a few weekends a year. They are allowed to have at least a few after school activities and to listen to at least some worldly music and to acquire worldly records and CDs. They are even allowed to go to college if they so choose. Such children are bound to be less seriously affected, and might actually enjoy the religion somewhat.

    Just what happens when you try too hard to make them conform to the witless standards. They are more likely to simply quit altogether if you try to get everything. The ones that are "weak" in the cancer are more likely to stay in, simply because they cannot see what's the big deal about all the strictness. Those who are brought in strictly see what the big deal is--and are as likely to leave.

  • fern
    fern

    WTWizard-

    That guy sounds like a complete control freak. I suppose this religion caters to someone with a personality like his. I completely agree with you about the ones raised in a less strict environment are less likely to see this organization as hell on earth and might be less likely to leave......even though I did.

  • no more kool aid
    no more kool aid

    I totally agree that every one's situation and perception is going to be vastly different, there are just so many variables. For instance I have actually been in about 10 different congregations, have been single and been married. I've been part of a prominent family (dad PO) and I've been the daughter of a single divorce woman. Lived in areas where I knew everyone in the circuit and where I knew no one. I've been an adult without children and with children. There were times where my husband was a servant and when he was not. I think I was pretty much the same person but was treated differently depending on what the situation was. And then of course every congregation has it's own distinct personality which may change with a different CO or elder body.

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    You're right - there are some good people in dub dub land. And many elders are sincere, and putting everyone else first. I've had a few run ins with them - it wasn't pretty.

    What got me in all the congregations I had seen in my travels were the weirdo's. I don't mean weird, I mean WEIRD. Could some have been molesters? Who knows. Probably not. It's not that dubs have all kinds of child molesters in they're congregations (no more than anywhere else, I imagine). It's how it was handled that is the real issue.

    Oh, not to mention that the religion is utterly wrong, false, nonsense.

  • blondie
    blondie
    For instance, my mother allowed us kids to visit our DFed father every other weekend and as far as I know, nobody ever gaver her grief about it.

    Minor children can visit or live with a df'd parent. The issue comes up when the child is 18 and a baptized jw. Notice how just 6 years changes the WTS policy in this.

    *** g97 12/8 pp. 11-12 Child Custody—A Balanced View ***What, though, if one of the parents is disfellowshipped? Should the Christian parent make the child available for visitation? The disfellowshipping process of the congregation only alters the spiritual relationship between the individual and the Christian congregation. In fact, it severs the spiritual bonds. But the parent-child relationship remains intact. The custodial parent must respect the disfellowshipped parent’s visitation rights.However, if the noncustodial parent poses an imminent and substantial threat to the child’s physical or emotional welfare, then the court (not the custodial parent) may arrange to have visitation with the child supervised by a third party.

    *** g91 9/22 p. 30 From Our Readers ***The articles made my husband and me feel guilty. My first mate was disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation for unfaithfulness. My boys and I then moved in with my parents, about 2,000 miles [3,200 km] away. The boys had little contact with their father. After I remarried, we continued to discourage any contact, feeling the father was a bad influence. Did we make the right decision?

    C. W., United States

    Neither

    divorcenorexpulsionfromtheChristiancongregationendsaparent-childrelationship;childrencontinuetoneedbothparents.Nevertheless,eachsituationisdifferent.Physicaldistanceorindifferenceonthepartofanex-spousemaygreatlylimitparent-childcontact.Ontheotherhand,thecourtsmayimposevisitationarrangements,andaChristianmayhavelittlechoicebuttocooperate.Wherenovisitationarrangementshavebeenimposed,itisuptothecustodialparenttodetermineifassociationwithanex-spousewouldposegravephysicalorspiritualdangers.—ED.

    Notice the WTS "advice" for adult children:

    *** km 8/02 p. 4 par. 13 Display Christian Loyalty When a Relative Is Disfellowshipped ***After hearing a talk at a circuit assembly, a brother and his fleshly sister realized that they needed to make adjustments in the way they treated their mother, who lived elsewhere and who had been disfellowshipped for six years. Immediately after the assembly, the man called his mother, and after assuring her of their love, he explained that they could no longer talk to her unless there were important family matters requiring contact.

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