Brig. Gen. David Irvine: What Jack Bauer Has Not Done

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  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Brig. Gen. David Irvine: What Jack Bauer Has Not Done

    What Jack Bauer Has Not Done
    by: Brig. Gen. David Irvine
    Thu Jan 22, 2009 at 10:51:53 AM EST

    (This is a guest post from Brigadier General David R. Irvine, a retired Army Reserve strategic intelligence officer who taught prisoner interrogation and military law for 18 years with the Sixth Army Intelligence School. He currently practices law in Salt Lake City, Utah. - promoted by Brandon Friedman)


    We are supposed to feel bad for Jack Bauer, the lead character on FOX's hit show "24." Only he and a handful of his colleagues, it seems, have the moral strength necessary to do what has to be done. While Senators whine and his superiors wring their hands about what is "right," Bauer acts and saves the nation.

    What this means -- and has meant for more than six seasons of "24" -- is that Bauer is a not-so reluctant torturer. He beats up the bad guys because, as he has said so many times, "there is no other way."

    The reality is that there are more reliable and effective ways. Resorting to torture isn't heroic, it's stupid. Reliance on it has resulted in strategic mistakes and has made the nation less safe. The torture chorus has yet to document a single instance of a "but for" success, and that refusal looks more and more like a criminal cover-up.I taught interrogation and the law of war for 18 years to U.S. Army, Air Force, and Marine interrogators. The truth is that torture is just as likely to lead to false information or no information, not solid intelligence. History is replete with victims who have refused to talk or lied or died under torture. American torture has killed or addled suspects who might have provided vital intelligence if interrogated humanely. One problem with TV fiction is that viewers assume that if Jack Bauer can break some fingers and crack the case in an hour, anyone could.

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    http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2396
  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Kick (of an already subdued topic)

  • Odrade
    Odrade

    hear hear. I can't sit through the "24" propaganda.

  • Angharad
    Angharad

    Yes, it's a well documented fact.

    1. The torturer doesn't believe what the suspect says before being tortured so even true information freely given is classed as false.
    2. The suspect says anything and everything until the torturer hears what he wants to believe to be true so false information is classified as true.

    To know whether the information is true or false means that you need to already know the answers ... so why torture?

    Pretty basic, blindingly obvious and very well known ... but not as jingoistic and appealing to the likes of Bush and his supporters.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Argh, I hate it when Angharad has logged on !!

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Good Lord!..Simon and Angarad are the same person!!..Look at the little pattern to the right of both thier names,it`s the same!..That little pattern is Simon`s troll alert!!......He caught himself!!..Is it Simrad or Angmon?.....He` s done a great deal to keep us all in the dark about his Shinanigan`s!.....Not only that..He had kids with himself,just to confuse us!!........................................

    Laughing Mutley...OUTLAW

  • kurtbethel
    kurtbethel

    The purpose of torture has nothing to do with gaining reliable information, because it can not consistently do that. So there is another reason it is done. It is to willfully inflict suffering on someone so as to feed off of their anguish.

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