Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:
Why would this be important if everyone would be resurrected anyway?
"except those days be shortened..."
by cameo-d 9 Replies latest watchtower bible
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steve2
It's the Bible. Expect unending interpretations that differ widely one from the other and still be none the wiser and wonder about the Bible's supposed wisdom.
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WTWizard
Another fine way to create a problem where none exist, and then extort praise out of the "solution". The days could last 20 years, 50 years, a billion years--no limit to how long they can last. And Jehovah can still claim to have cut them short, and extort praise for cutting them short. Even if He is the one that started it in the first place and/or lengthened them.
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cameo-d
And Jehovah can still claim to have cut them short,
Wizard, this scripture has nothing to do with Jehovah...period.
This was spoken by Jesus to his disciples in reference to the last days.
The passage is from Matthew.
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truthsetsonefree
Why would this be important if everyone would be resurrected anyway?
Hard to argue with that logic.
Isaac
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cameo-d
Why would this be important if everyone would be resurrected anyway?
Hard to argue with that logic.
Isaac
Yeah, well, I am hoping for some new light or "new thought". I don't like where this scripture seems to be leading.
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eyes wide shut
In Mat 24 15-27 He (Jesus) is speaking of two different subjects that are related and the overall context is the "Great Tribulation"
Many of the things starting in vv 15 refers to the destruction of the Temple, and He uses such words like "abomination of desolation" standing in the Holy place etc. These things are a typology for the greater fullfilment just before His final return.
Notice also that the destruction of the temple of Jerusalem was very severe and a great calamity for the Jews. Historians have noted the massive amount of lives lost including women and children. This tribulation here was physical in all the sense. Only the ones that fled Jerusalem when the saw the armies of General Titus (abomination of desolation), survived.
Christians today live in the Great tribulation in which the tribulation of the destruction of the temple, a typology, served to warn us. Our tribulation is a spiritual one. We are faced with unsurmoutable odds in fighting what's around us in the secular world today. It must also be noted that this can also include physical torment for our faith. But during the course of this "generation" and Great tribulation we will in future times encounter a great deception led by the antichrist and cause the spirituall battle of Armageddon to start. "Those days", will be so intense that if they were to continue "no flesh" would be saved. It is important to note that a person can allready be "dead" and still be alive biologically. Eph 2:1
Therefore "unless those days are shortened" may also mean that there could be a vast number of people just walking around "dead" serving other gods or themselves. Jesus came into the world to save people. He does this in the present tense by leading us to the true life, the living waters.
So I see "those days" as referring to them beginning on the day Christ was crucified (impaled, JW speak), and being "cut short" some time in the chronological future "for the sake of the elect", or all would be decieved.
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cameo-d
It is important to note that a person can allready be "dead" and still be alive biologically. Eph 2:1
That's what CT Russell emphasised when he told the tricky truth about what resurrection really means.
In his words... (p.892 CR 333 Resurrection)
"All except those spirit begotton will share in the general resurrection..."
("except those spirit begotton" ....what does this mean?)
"will share in the general resurrection or uplifting of Messiah's Kingdom."
Russell makes no inference that resurrection has anything to do with re-animation of the physical body!
Russell goes on to say...
"Some are more and some less dead morally, mentally, and physically, than others."
(So, this "death" is actually referring to dumbness or being handicapped. "Morally dead" would refer to anyone who does not have the same spiritual values as what is being taught at the KH)
"Some will need more and some less, uplifting or resurrection."
So, in truth, Russell, who is in cahoots with the league of Satan, makes a little slip of the tongue in saying that resurrection is merely an uplifting or "teaching the dumb ones". The resurrection must be the Great Educational Work, where everyone who is allowed to live must bow to Satan's Kingdom Hall teachings.
Another trick of Satan: resurrection has nothing to do with the bringing back of those who have physically died.
Besides, only Jesus was given that power. And we know how the WT feels about Jesus!
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eyes wide shut
Russell was a messed up confused man and so are his cohorts that followed after him.
Russel quoted above "All except those spirit begotton will share in the general resurrection..."
This is false. John 5:28-29 talks about the general resurrection. vv 29 tells us both the evil and good are to be raised. In vv 28 the word "all" is translated from the greek word "pas". It means everyone dead as vv 29 describes this in more detail.
Eph 2:1 talks about "being made alive" and fits nicely with John 3:5 in which to be "born again" is to live in Christ. These ones are raised in the first resurection that Rev. 20: 5 talks about.
The modern WT shows these passages to refer to only the "special annointed 144k". However this is wrong as it applies to all those wanting to be Christians.
My theory is that by extracting this hope out of the majority of the JW's the WTBS has made themselves to be the "Christ" for the "great crowd". In all their literature they write about themselves the words come across as they have set themselves up to be the "deliverer" of mankind. Their organization is the only way, others are "dead", look to them for prophecy ("new light"), they are the narrow path, changing of scriptures to demote the role of Jesus, etc. If we combine all these things together we have idolatry. But based on the quotes above cameo, we see Russell was the beginnings of the movement to replace Jesus with the WTBS. Everything in the history of the WT was to replace Jesus and set up the WT as an idol to replace Him. And yes, you are correct. They, the WTBS, teaches that if you do not follow them after knowing about their teachings, you will not be raised. By this statement alone they claim to hold the judging power of God over who is resurrected. WTBS is a god, with a little "g".
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yadda yadda 2
Because Jehovah offers the privilege to a 'great crowd' to pass through the great tribulation into the 'new earth' without having to suffer death. While I do believe everyone will get a resurrection anyway, those who have washed their robes in the blood of the lamb are covered by the ransom and have passed from death to life, so have the privilege of never dying an Adamic death.