Taking responsibility or laying your sins at the foot of the cross.

by LouBelle 3 Replies latest jw friends

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  LouBelle

  I personally don't believe that Jesus Christ came 2000 years ago to save anyone bar for himself, if there was an actual Jesus he lived his life according the way his spirit led him, this ended in his death - as he was a threat to the rulers/government/religious leaders of that time. He took a stand for what he believed in and was responsible for his actions.

  Today we have christian faiths that lay their sins at the foot of the cross and expect to be forgiven over and over again for their perceived sins and I reckon that they truly believe that christ will wash away their sins with his blood....why should Jesus (as god for arguments sake) take on the sins of everyone else? He did his time. Why not buck up and take responsiblity for them yourself and redeem yourself. Why look to him to do it for you - that teaches you nothing except palming off your sins. How many billions make a mockery of what it meant to die on one of those crosses anyway.

  Surely your salvation - it that is what you want to call, it is your own responsibility, don't look to the heavens to save you. Save yourself.

  (a random rant for no particular reason)
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  WuzLovesDubs

  Thats kinda where Im at with Jesus Lou. I believe he existed. I believe he was a charismatic man, a leader at a time when people were under oppression. And I agree he was killed because they perceived him as a threat because they were talking about making him king...like the ACTUAL king. I dont believe that he is anything BUT a really good man. And I believe his legend and his stories of healings and making people walk and bringing people back from the grave grew out of peoples desires to make him more than he actually was in life.

  I also believe church provides some solice for people. Some place to feel like there is hope out there. And others show up after killing somebody and sit in the front pew and think they can be forgiven of their sins and go out the door to brunch and start a new week of being NO different than they were before.

  Yeah...accountability. Its whats for dinner.
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  shamus100

  Jesus was nothing more than a story-book character whose story remained alive because some cannot handle life without some kind of afterlife. They would go crazy - drinking, drugs, booze, sex...

  It's very empowering to KNOW that there is nothing after this and not go off the deep-end. It's even more empowering to have better morals than most 'religious' people.
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  BurnTheShips

  Taking responsibility or laying your sins at the foot of the cross.

  It isn't either/or like you seem to think. There are several Christian soteriologies. Investigate! :-)

  Today we have christian faiths that lay their sins at the foot of the cross and expect to be forgiven over and over again for their perceived sins

  God will forgive us however many times we feel truly repentant and ask for forgiveness.

  Believing in Jesus in no wise removes my personal responsiblities for my actions. :-)

  Every Sunday in my church the congregation recites as part of the liturgy:

  I confess to almighty God, and to you my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault...In my thoughts and in my words...In what I have done, and what I have failed to do

  Personal responsibility is written all over that.

  Cheers,

  BTS