So many questions, whose got the food?

by Will Power 3 Replies latest jw friends

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    Actually I'm only in the mood for a snack.

    Can someone help me sort this out?
    I'm trying to figure how all these pieces fit the "story"

    Satan & bad angels kicked out of heaven before time & universe began?
    These guys are evil? How many? Billions? Do they reproduce? Is there one to influence & tempt everyone in the world or do they flit from one person to another, back & forth, 24/7? If not enough to go around there must be alot of people who are not in Satan's world other than just the JWs I mean. Or can they be in more than 1 place at a time?

    Satan tempts eve, kids are born, split into good and bad.
    geneology of good kept on record - some lived 900 yrs or so. (wouldn't some of these guys still be alive to preserve word of mouth deterioration of garden of eden story et al? other than just moses?)

    Pagans worshipped false gods - exiled angels? (Bad recollection of handed down God & Garden story which still would have had some originals still alive? - Egyptians left holes in pyramids to let soul escape?)

    There is supposed to be 1 God.
    If you believe there is 1 God, how do people believe that these other gods exist?
    And if you don't believe that these other gods exist how can you worship them accidently when you look at a christmas tree for instance? (is there 1 demon for each decorated christmas tree? or is there 1 that receives symbolic worship from all christmas trees.
    or a totem pole for example if you see only cool art on a stick and never pray to it? does a bad angel see you looking at it, mistake it for veneration because it doesn't know your heart, then mark your head and move on to the next guy?

    If the 1 God is the only one to read the hearts of man and you believe there is only 1 God then God must know this and when your heart belongs to the one true God you are supposed to be protected and Satan has no power over you?

    If the muslims believe in the one true God of the bible is it the same one even tho it has 1 extra prophet?

    If Jesus said
    where-ever 2 or 3 are gathered in my name, I'll be there ...
    even if bible instructions are only meant for the "annointed" if 8,000 or so alive today, divided by 2 or 3 = more than 1 place at a time. Is he omnipresent? If he is a good angel are other's omnipresent?
    Do the 8,000 ever gather in His name? Is gathering the same as worship?
    If they don't gather in his name because he is an angel albeit a good one why did Jesus say what he did?
    If they don't gather who does?
    If others do is he really "there" like he said he'd be? Or is it holy spirit that comes? Is that impersonation?
    Did this just occur before he took his seat in 1914?

    If these bad angels are called false gods (pagan) and
    Jesus is a good god John 1:1 (because there are lots of gods)
    but only the one true God will be left at the end of the world and the rest will perish as quoted in Jeremiah, how does it all end with key players out of the picture?

    If Jesus is the Abaddon of the bible as the AID Book defines and the rest of christians call abaddon the devil, i'm confused who is it who comes out of the abyss?
    So the definitions in the dictionaries are all wrong because the devil corrupted these scholars, time after time to confuse?
    Doesn't a word mean one thing and that is why people use it in a sentence?
    If they say devil they mean devil, if they say abaddon means devil then that is what they mean when they say it so that people with understand what they mean!

    These 8,000 or so left that are annointed with holy spirit when 1 dies where does this holy spirit go or is it just turned off?

    When someone dies I've heard the words "Its just a shell"
    was there something inside other what is seen in the casket?
    Is it the mind? Isn't the brain part of the shell?
    Is it the mind that will be "recalled" to the recreated shell at the resurrection?
    Why doesn't God read minds instead of hearts? or are they the same thing?

    Too many questions I know.
    If this stuff is supposed to be logical so that man can "reason" his way to believe the 'truth' then any answers should be short & sweet.

    And the biggest question of all...
    How do they get the caramel in a caramilk bar?

  • ricoananas
    ricoananas

    Try this one on for size: The God of the Hebrews had people slaughtered (so His followers could practice loving-kindness?). The God of the NT is now a "God of love." (1) Is He schizoid? (2) Did He repent of His badness because He allowed His Son to be tortured? (3) Or is he multiple (elohim) Gods?

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    Hi nic
    explain #2
    I don't get it

    #3 must be a different story if there is only 1 true God in the bible story.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Dearest Will Power... may you have peace!

    Dear sir/ma'am... if you have faith, then you COULD get your answers by getting the sense of and following the admonition at:

    John 5:39, 40

    If, however, you DON'T have faith, your questions can be answered by someone WITH faith, my Lord willing, perhaps even utilizing the Bible and its scriptures and verses, as follows (but not necessarily, though).

    (NOTE: To whom it may concern, or rather, whomever feels it necessary to concern themselves, please note, that I said his/her questions... meaning... entirely... the ones he/she asked... since such questions ORIGINATED as a result of things he/she believes or understands to be in the Bible... so such would be appropriate for providing a response... at least in the sense of whether or not the Bible TRULY says what he/she believes it to...)

    Therefore, by the spirit of my Father, the Holy One of Israel, JAH OF ARMIES, that is in me by means of His Son and Christ, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, which spirit is holy spirit, may I say:

    Can someone help me sort this out?
    Indeed. I am your servant, as I am servant to ALL of the 'house' of that One, and to all mankind by means of that One. And I have been granted leave to assist you, by that One.

    Satan & bad angels kicked out of heaven before time & universe began?
    No, Satan and 'his' angels lost their battle with Michael and 'his' angels in 30CE, directly after my Lord ascended and offered up his blood at a sacrifice. That is why my Lord said, "The ruler of this world is COMING." It is also why persecution began of my brothers of that time immediately after the death in the flesh of my Lord. Satan began to 'wage war' with such ones, using the Roman government and Jewish leaders.

    These guys are evil?
    Well, if you call rebelliousness and challenging God 'evil' in a usurpary kind of way, then, yeah.

    How many? Billions?
    Hmmmm... I am 'told' myriads upon myriads, but not more than those who 'stood still in the Truth', and remained on my Father's side.

    Do they reproduce?
    No, angels... or rather spirit creatures ('angel' is merely a designation of a spirit creature) do not have the capacity to reproduce in and of themselves. Only God was able to do that, with Mary. In order to reproduce, spirit creatures would have to put on flesh, which is what they did prior to the Flood of Noah's day, in order to have relations with the daughters of men and produce offspring. Contrary to what you may be been 'taught', however, they did not 'produce' Nephilim... they WERE the Nephilim that were at that time 'in the earth'. You know, like cherub/cherubim, seraph/seraphim... Nephi/Nephilim.

    (And no, I do not subscribe to the teachings of Joseph Smith, for if he received HIS 'revelations' from a Nephi (which is his claim), then he did NOT receive it from the Truth (John 14:6), but from a rebellious spirit creature, which the Nephilim were, and as a result were restricted from entering back into the spirit realm, as were Adam and Eve for THEIR acts.)

    Is there one to influence & tempt everyone in the world or do they flit from one person to another, back & forth, 24/7?
    Actually, there are several AND they flit back and forth, as well as remain in one individual. They are spirits, and so they are not restricted as we are by time and space. And indeed more than one can occupy a single individual... 'enter' such one and 'put on' such one's flesh. The 'thing' is, however, is that WE 'allow' them entry, by not 'guarding' the point of entry, which is the heart. They cannot, however, on their own gain access. They have only the power over us that we grant them.

    If not enough to go around there must be alot of people who are not in Satan's world other than just the JWs I mean. Or can they be in more than 1 place at a time?
    There are more of them than there are of us, number one. However, because they are not restricted as we are by time and space, they can be in what appears to US as 'two places at one time'.

    Satan tempts eve, kids are born, split into good and bad.
    geneology of good kept on record - some lived 900 yrs or so. (wouldn't some of these guys still be alive to preserve word of mouth deterioration of garden of eden story et al? other than just moses?)
    Actually, Moses did not 'preserve' that account. Joseph did, when imprisoned in Egypt. Also, Garden of Eden did not, and has not 'deteriorated'. It still exists, in the very place first 'planted'. However, since flesh with its blood cannot 'enter' into such place... and separation from God and Christ means separation from that which is spiritual... we cannot 'see' it with our eyes of flesh. But, those of us who are 'in union' with Christ, and who faith such that we can keep our eyes on the things UNSEEN, rather than that which is seen... or 'beheld'... can indeed see it. We can, in fact, enter... and go in and out.

    John 10:9

    Pagans worshipped false gods - exiled angels? (Bad recollection of handed down God & Garden story which still would have had some originals still alive? - Egyptians left holes in pyramids to let soul escape?)
    Actually, 'pagans'... worship the earth and that which is physical. Idolators... worship false gods. And in some instances, yes, exiled angels. Are there not Satan 'worshippers' even today? And yes, the TRUTH of Eden, as well as much of what occurred prior to the flood, has been obscured in its being handed down. But the people on earth KNEW of such ones even at the time of the building of the Tower of Babel. Why do you think such a tower was built? Because they knew of or had heard of the Nephilim, who were 'in the earth', and knew that God resided in the heavens, and thought that if they build a tower, they could get there! They couldn't, for it is not a physical place. Thankfully, JAH stopped them (yes, I know, many say He stopped them due to their high-mindedness, but in TRUTH, He stopped them because they couldn't GET there that way, anyway!)

    There is supposed to be 1 God.
    No, in TRUTH, there are many gods. There is, however, one God... the Father. One 'true' God over all others. But even my Lord, who my Father made a little lower than angels, has been exalted to the position of a god. Which position he always had anyway. For a god is only a 'deity', a 'divine' or spiritual being. Thus, there many gods... true ones and false ones (idols made of stone, wood, etc.). But there is only one God... the Father. And since 'every knee' should 'bend' to my Lord... he has had godship conferred upon him. Yet, Satan, who my Lord referred to as 'the god of THIS system of things', and who asked my Lord to fall down and do one act of worship to him... is also a god.

    If you believe there is 1 God, how do people believe that these other gods exist?
    See above, please.

    And if you don't believe that these other gods exist how can you worship them accidently when you look at a christmas tree for instance? (is there 1 demon for each decorated christmas tree? or is there 1 that receives symbolic worship from all christmas trees.
    You have been misled. Simply looking at a Christmas tree is not the idol worship that some believe. The 'problem' with a Christmas tree is its origin: some milleniums ago, certain barbaric warriors would hang the heads of their captives... including the babies... on trees. The ornaments that are now used replace those heads (after folks got a 'conscience'. They wanted to continue the 'ritual', but not look so barbaric. This practice was simply a part of a previous 'worship'... or victory ritual... and rather than be removed, was incorporated into Christmas as we know it. Had/has NOTHING to do with Christ, his birth, Santa, etc.

    I will tell you what an 'idol' of today is, though: the Bible. Wait, let me explain. The Bible is a book, made out of paper with a cover, with words written therein, yes? Okay, so the contents have some 'value'. Yet, many people will FREAK OUT when you drop one, or don't handle it gingerly. But let me ask you: can the BIBLE 'save' you? Can that black or whatever colored book give you life? Can what's IN it give you life?

    John 5:39, 40

    And yet, people 'worship' them as if they can. Have displayed and consider them 'sacred' and such. Let me ask you also this: IF the Bible book itself is SO sacred... then the tree from which the paper came must have ALSO been sacred, yes? And the pig whose skin makes the cover, yes? Or... whatever. So then, what happened to the REST of the tree... or pig... that was NOT used in making that particular Bible? Can one part be sacred... and not the entire thing?

    Things that make you go "hmmmm...."

    or a totem pole for example if you see only cool art on a stick and never pray to it? Does a bad angel see you looking at it, mistake it for veneration because it doesn't know your heart, then mark your head and move on to the next guy?
    Indeed. Is it 'art' to you? Or a thing of 'veneration'? But then, can a thing of 'veneration' to others BE only a form of 'art' to you? Only you can answer that, for only YOU know what is truly in your heart.

    If the 1 God is the only one to read the hearts of man and you believe there is only 1 God then God must know this and when your heart belongs to the one true God you are supposed to be protected and Satan has no power over you?
    Please see above, and please know that while God (and Christ) can read your heart, you also have 'access'. Problem is, rather than TRULY look at what is in our hearts, we tend to OVERLOOK what is truly there. God does not mind if what is there is not necessarily 'correct'; what He MINDS... is when you try to 'fool' Him, fool holy spirit, by saying something that IS there is not... or something that is NOT there is. In truth, you are only lying to yourself... and those that believe you... and attempting to deceive Him. THAT... is unacceptable.

    Acts 5:1-5

    Therefore, be honest. If what is there is 'bad'... confess it. Tell the truth. You can be forgiven. But you cannot be forgiven for that which you do not acknowledge and confess exists in you.

    If the muslims believe in the one true God of the bible is it the same one even tho it has 1 extra prophet?
    Actually, the Muslim God and the Jewish God are one and the same: the God of Abraham. Problem is, the Muslims have been misled to misrender the Hebrew saying "Allelu Jah" (which means "Praise JAH!") as "Allelu Jah". An easy mistake; unfortunate that they are not aware of it, though, so as to correct it.

    If Jesus said where-ever 2 or 3 are gathered in my name, I'll be there ... even if bible instructions are only meant for the "annointed" if 8,000 or so alive today, divided by 2 or 3 = more than 1 place at a time. Is he omnipresent? If he is a good angel are other's omnipresent?
    First, it is meant only for the 'anointed', which are 'christians'. If one has not been anointed or chosen by holy spirit, one is NOT a 'christian'. For the word 'christian' MEANS... 'anointed/chosen people/person". Thus, the Christ is God's 'anointed' or 'chosen' One. As for where he 'is'... since he is a Spirit, and spirit beings are 'free'... he can 'be' anywhere at anytime, in anyone. The Spirit is not limited to any physical vessels.

    By way of example, let me ask you: do you remember the pillar of fire that led the Israelites through the wilderness by night? The Shekanah Light? And that once the tabernacle/temple were erected, that pillar (which was a cloud of smoke by day), filled the Most Holy to show God's presence... or 'spirit'... was with Israel? Do you recall that on the night of Pentecost, when that Spirit LEFT the temple and entered into the people that EACH ONE OF THEM had a tiny flame evident above their head to DEMONSTRATE where the Spirit had gone? Into THEM? And that THEY thus became the 'temple' of God?
    So, God... and Christ, by means of the outpouring of Holy Spirit by Christ, now 'dwelled'... or 'resided' NOT in the temple at Jerusalem, but in the people!

    Acts 17:24
    1 Corinthians 3:16
    Romans 8:9, 10

    And Christ is NOT an angel; never was, never will be. He is the Son. And indeed, it is angels that will worship HIM.

    Hebrews 1:5-8

    Do the 8,000 ever gather in His name?
    What 8,000? Those who 'claim' to be 'anointed' while in the WTBTS? No, they 'gather' in the name of 'Jehovah'. Which is erroneous, isn't it? I mean, just as in ancient Egypt, although Pharaoh was top dog and owned all of the grain, it WAS to 'Joseph' that one had to go to GET such grain, yes? And so, to WHOM did God tell us to 'listen'? (And IF such ones are 'anointed', then they are spiritual 'fornicators' and 'adulteresses', because rather than following their husbandly owner, the Lamb, wherever HE goes, they follow man, those who have 'seated' THEMSELVES in the 'seat of Moses'. Yes? So, they are NOT 'virgins'. And the 'bride of Christ'... is a 'virgin'. She has no other 'husband'... in a spiritual sense... and thus subjects herself to NO other... than Christ.) No, they would have to 'separate themselves'... and QUIT 'touching the unclean thing' in order to be 'taken in as sons and daughters'. Yes?

    Matthew 23:2, 3, 10
    Revelation 14:4
    2 Corinthians 6:14-18

    Is gathering the same as worship?
    No, for when such ones 'gather' it is to encourage EACH OTHER and have an interchange with ONE ANOTHER. And is done physically. "Worship", however, denotes veneration, and one cannot worship God physically. One can only worship God IN SPIRIT... and... in... or rather, THROUGH.... the TRUTH (John 14:6).

    If they don't gather in his name because he is an angel albeit a good one why did Jesus say what he did?
    Please see above. If they don't gather in his name, it is because they do not KNOW him, nor are they known BY him. It has nothing to do with him being an angel... which he is not. If ones think so, they have been misled.

    If they don't gather who does?
    Those who ARE members of the Congregation of the Firstborn, the Body of Christ... those who ARE 'called and chosen', anointed by holy spirit... to be sons of God. And such ones do NOT 'belong' to a religion... but 'belong' to Christ.

    If others do is he really "there" like he said he'd be?
    Indeed, he is. We hear him 'speak'... and feel his 'presence'. Does he speak audibly? Yes. Physically? No. He speaks TO us... and through us.

    Or is it holy spirit that comes?
    When we 'gather', it is my Lord, for he IS the Holy Spirit... for the holy spirit is the Spirit... of the TRUTH... which Truth, my Lord is. That is why he had to GO... to be GLORIFIED IN THE SPIRIT... so that he could return AS a spirit. For what he benefitted us in the flesh, he can much MORE so... as a spirit!

    John 14:6, 12, 16-18
    1 Corinthians 15:45

    Is that impersonation?
    No, it is not. It is him. Just not as a physical being, but a spirit one, which one can only discern... with the spirit.

    1 Corinthians 15:44, 47

    Did this just occur before he took his seat in 1914?
    My Lord did not take his seat in 1914. My Lord took his SEAT, immediately after entering into heaven in 30CE, when he was granted to sit at the right hand of my Father, and BEGIN RULING... FROM THAT POSITION... in the midst of his enemies!

    Psalm 110:1,2
    1 Corinthians 15:25, 26
    Matthew 28:20

    If these bad angels are called false gods (pagan) and
    Jesus is a good god John 1:1 (because there are lots of gods)
    but only the one true God will be left at the end of the world and the rest will perish as quoted in Jeremiah, how does it all end with key players out of the picture?
    The 'bad' ones will be destroyed at "Har-Maggedon", the war of the great day of God Almighty, at which time fire will come down out of heaven to destroy Gog (goats) and Magog (wicked spirits)... eternally. For it takes such fire to destroy the body... AND the spirit. It is THEN that 'the heavens and earth that are now which are stored up for fire', are cleansed. The result? A NEW heavens and a NEW earth, in that no such wicked forces remain, other than Satan and Death, both of whom are destroyed shortly after.

    This takes place, however, AFTER the 1,000 years have ended and for Death, AFTER the general resurrection, which also takes place after the 1,000 years have ended.

    Revelation 20:7-15

    If Jesus is the Abaddon of the bible as the AID Book defines and the rest of christians call abaddon the devil, i'm confused who is it who comes out of the abyss?
    My Lord is NOT "Abbadon", the king of the Abyss! Death and Destruction... the "Destroyer" is the king of the abyss... the place where even wicked spirits are 'imprisoned'. My Father, however, has AUTHORITY over Death and Destruction, whose 'son' Satan (and also Judas) is.

    So the definitions in the dictionaries are all wrong because the devil corrupted these scholars, time after time to confuse?
    No, the false prophets and false 'christs' of the WTBTS are 'all wrong', because they promote the traditions and doctrines of men as law, while overstepping the commandments of God.

    Doesn't a word mean one thing and that is why people use it in a sentence? If they say devil they mean devil, if they say abaddon means devil then that is what they mean when they say it so that people with understand what they mean!
    You, sir/madam, are not as 'dumb' as they would wish you to be!

    These 8,000 or so left that are annointed with holy spirit when 1 dies where does this holy spirit go or is it just turned off?
    First, please the response above with reference to this matter. Then, please know that according to Revelation 22:17, the Spirit and the Bride KEEP saying "Come!" It is not up to man to 'close' the 'door'. Just as with the Ark of Noah, so it is with the Ark... of the [New] Covenant. NO MAN... indeed, not even the Son... can say the date or hour.

    When someone dies I've heard the words "Its just a shell"
    was there something inside other what is seen in the casket?
    Indeed, the body of flesh is merely a clay 'pot', an 'earthen vessel' if you will... that houses the TRUE man, the spirit.

    Is it the mind? Isn't the brain part of the shell?
    No, it is the spirit.

    Is it the mind that will be "recalled" to the recreated shell at the resurrection?
    The mind is part of the spirit, as is the 'heart' (not the fleshly muscle, but the 'motivation' of a man. Both will be restored to a body, however, not one of flesh... not a 'corruptible' body... but one of spirit, that is INCORRUPTIBLE. My Father and Lord call it a 'white robe', in that it is CLEAN... incorruptible.

    Why doesn't God read minds instead of hearts? or are they the same thing?
    What is in the mind... originates in the heart. Would it not be the best thing, then, to look at the original source?

    Too many questions I know.
    No, indeed. Do not think so! My Lord entertained MANY questions from his disciples... and still does. All you need is exercise faith that he can hear you and answer you... and does and will... and that YOU can 'hear' him!

    If this stuff is supposed to be logical so that man can "reason" his way to believe the 'truth' then any answers should be short & sweet.
    Hmmmm... my sincerest apologies, but unfortunately, I am not well known for 'short and sweet' answers! Sorry!

    And the biggest question of all... How do they get the caramel in a caramilk bar?
    What's a "caramilk" bar?

    I hope that through sharing my Lord's 'insight', I have been able to provide you with some assistance. I am...

    Your servant, and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

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