Judge rules Elder ineligible for confidentiality protections

by Tatiana 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • Tatiana
    Tatiana

    http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_clergy14.47d1c14.html

    12:02 AM PDT on Saturday, March 14, 2009

    By TAMMY J. McCOY
    The Press-Enterprise

    An ordained minister with the Jehovah's Witnesses voluntarily talked to detectives investigating the bludgeoning death of a Murrieta woman making him ineligible for the confidentially protections afforded by law to clergymen and their parishioners, a judge ruled Friday.

    The ruling means that Jose Cespedes must testify during Kelle Lee Jarka's trial on charges of murder for financial gain in connection with the April death of his wife, Isabelle Jarka.

    Riverside County Superior Court Judge Timothy Freer ruled Cespedes waived his rights to confidentially, in part, because he freely gave statements to investigators on four separate occasions between April and June.

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    The ruling comes in response to Cespedes, an ordained minister with the Spanish Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Temecula, claim that he should not be compelled to testify because Kelle Jarka's statements were confidential communications between a clergyman and his parishioner.

    During Friday's hearing, Cespedes testified Isabelle Jarka called on April 27 and asked him to come to the Jarka home, where he stayed from about 10 p.m. until 4 a.m.

    "She wasn't asking for guidance from you as an elder with the Jehovah's Witnesses?" asked prosecutor Burke Strunsky.

    No, Cespedes said. "I went there as a friend."

    The conversation was focused on concerns Isabelle Jarka had about a congregation member who died from complications of AIDS, Cespedes said.

    She was unaware of how the virus was spread and concerned about the safety of her family and her congregation, he said. She was also concerned that her husband was spending a great deal of time with the dead man's family.

    Strunsky asked why Cespedes stayed at the Jarka home for six hours that night and into the next day.

    "Sir," Cespedes answered, "a friend called and make me to listen to her concerns."

    About five hours after Cespedes left the Jarka home, Kelle Jarka, 40, called Murrieta police and reported that he had returned home from running errands to find his wife unconscious on the floor, according to Murrieta police. Isabelle Jarka was hit in the head 11 times with a blunt object. Life insurance policies valued at more than $1 million were taken out on her in the weeks before her death, according to police.

    Defense attorney Erin Kirkpatrick asked Cespedes if he ever spoke to Isabelle Jarka or Kelle Jarka alone.

    No, he said, and no other topics were discussed during his visit.

    The prosecution and the defense found themselves in rare agreement as they both asked the court to deny Cespedes request. During the hearing, Kelle Jarka said he was not seeking the protections afforded by the penitent-clergy privilege.

    Freer also ruled Cespedes conversations did not meet the requirements of a penitential communication.

    "Its simply not privileged information," the judge said. "He was clearly there as a friend."

    To be deemed a penitential communication, the law says, the statements must made in confidence to a member of the clergy, who is authorized to hear such things, who has a duty to keep the communications secret.

    Jarka's trial is tentatively scheduled to begin on April 20 at the Southwest Justice Center in French Valley.

    If convicted, Kelle Jarka faces life in prison without the possibility of parole.

  • Bonnie_Clyde
    Bonnie_Clyde

    But we don't have a clergy-laity class?

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    But we don't have a clergy-laity class?

    WT states there is no distinction between clergy-laity.

    It is trick wording.

    It means there is no preacher--congregation distinction.

    No one is 'head hauncho'....like a priest.

    It could be contrived to mean that all are equal.

    It could be contrived to mean that ALL are considered clergy.

  • sir82
    sir82
    "She wasn't asking for guidance from you as an elder with the Jehovah's Witnesses?" asked prosecutor Burke Strunsky.
    No, Cespedes said. "I went there as a friend."

    <Cough> Bull <Cough> Puckey

    A married JW sister, calling an elder, to come alone, at 10 PM? And he stays until 4 AM?

    Where was the husband all this time? Was Cespedes really there by himself? Were they really just "talking"?

    Something is way beyond fishy here. Definitely worth monitoring this trial.

  • truthlover
    truthlover

    He - the elder - said in court - she called HIM to come over -- and He went alone?? as a friend?? Why were there not Two Elders going to visit a distraught sister?? or why didnt she question him after a meeting in the hall?? I think the elders wife should be questioning him now... conspiracy theory..maybe the husband found out about the visit to 4 am and there was a fight, etc, etc and the death followed.....

    Still a tragedy, no matter how you look at it, especially when money is involved, if that was the reason...the love of money is A root

  • lurk3r
    lurk3r

    An ordained minister with the Jehovah's Witnesses voluntarily talked to detectives investigating the bludgeoning death of a Murrieta woman making him ineligible for the confidentially protections afforded by law to clergymen and their parishioners, a judge ruled Friday.

    It's too bad this was published. Perhaps it's "proper" media coverage, but the fact of the matter is, when it's brought to the many "ordained ministers" out there, they are just going to shut their traps. Better off they were left wide open.

    lurk3r

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Elders will never take information in confidence while alone and tell absolutely nobody. Not going to happen.
    Oh, they may get some ruling from WTS to tell nobody, but they will still talk to someone. They can't help it.

    It does sound strange that he went alone for all those hours. Couldn't a judicial committee be had for a
    "brother" and "sister" doing just that?

  • awaken2004
    awaken2004

    I agree there is something fishy about the elder going there alone late at night and staying till 4AM as a friend. He would have had to lie to the other elders and his wife ( do we know if he's married) that he was there to shepherd not as a friend. He is definitely lying about something. What is up with that!

    But of course more impotantly I hope the husband gets what's coming to him if he did kill his wife.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    I think more than just his story ended up smelling fishy.

    Ooop! Did I just say that out loud????

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