Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-05-09 WT Study (PIERCED)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-05-09 WT Study (January 15, 2009, pages 25-29)(PIERCED)Review comments will be in red
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    JEHOVAH'S SERVANT -"PIERCED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSION"
    "He was being pierced for our transgression; he was being crushed for our errors ....Because of his wounds there has been a healing for us. 1 Isa. 53:5.


    OPENING COMMENTS

    Here is the final WT study article to prime the pump for the Memorial on Thursday, April 9. Note how the non-anointed jws are neither sons of God nor Christ's brothers.

    START OF ARTICLE


    Q 1. What should we keep in mind when we observe the Memorial, and what prophecy will help us to do so?


    WE OBSERVE the Memorial to commemorate Christ's death and to remember all that his death and resurrection have accomplished. The Memorial reminds us of the vindication of Jehovah's sovereignty, the sanctification of his name, and the fulfillment of his purpose, including the salvation of mankind. Perhaps no other prophecy in the Bible better depicts Christ's sacrifice and what it has accomplished than the one recorded at Isaiah 53:3-12. Isaiah foretold the Servant's sufferings and provided specific details about Christ's death and about the blessings his death would result in for his anointed brothers and his "other sheep."--John 10:16.

    For years the WTS (Rutherford) preached the vindication of God's name...because of his change to the name of Jehovah's Witnesses instead of Bible Students and the exodus of 3/4 of the Bible Students during that period.

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    *** w84 10/1 pp. 11-12 par. 11 Why We Must Be No Part of This World ***
    Indeed, those unrepentantly practicing “the works of the flesh” are part of this world and will have no share in the promised Kingdom that will vindicate Jehovah’s name and transform the earth into a paradise.

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    *** w56 3/1 p. 145 par. 3 Keeping Up with the Truth ***
    In Enoch’s time, about 4,994 years ago, the true religion included God’s Edenic heart-stirring promise to send a mighty Seed, a deliverer, who would vindicate Jehovah’s name against Satan by establishing a righteous New World system without end.

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    *** w95 5/15 p. 25 par. 17 Part 2—Flashes of Light—Great and Small ***
    Similarly, for a long time, Witnesses spoke of the vindication of Jehovah’s name. But had Satan called Jehovah’s name into question? For that matter, had any of Satan’s agents done so, as if Jehovah did not have a right to that name? No, not at all. It was not the name of Jehovah that was challenged and that needed to be vindicated. That is why the Watch Tower Society’s recent publications do not speak of Jehovah’s name as
    being vindicated. They speak of Jehovah’s sovereignty as being vindicated and of his name as being sanctified. This is in keeping with what Jesus told us to pray: “Let your name be sanctified.”

    "his anointed brothers and his "other sheep""--which effectively leaves non-anointed jws not being Jesus' brothers but his children instead.

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    *** w59 10/1 p. 583 Have You Been Baptized for Life? ***
    What about Noah’s sons and daughters-in-law? These picture, quite fittingly, the “great crowd” of “other sheep,” who as children of Jesus Christ, the “Father for eternity,” will live in the earthly Paradise.

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    *** w95 10/15 p. 26 par. 15 What Future for the Sheep and the Goats? ***
    How have Christ’s brothers and the millions of other sheep united with them as one flock been treated?

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    *** w74 5/1 p. 288 Questions From Readers ***

    Not being Christ’s brothers, the “other sheep” are evidently in line for the blessings of an earth free from sorrow and death.

    Q 2. Of what is Isaiah's prophecy a proof, and what effect will it have on us?
    2 Seven centuries before Jesus' birth on earth, Jehovah inspired Isaiah to prophesy that His chosen Servant would be faithful even when tested to the limit. This very fact is proof of Jehovah' s absolute confidence in his Son's loyalty. As we examine this prophecy, our hearts will be warmed and our faith will be strengthened.

    absolute confidence--are we discussing predestination?

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    *** w53 6/1 pp. 337-338 par. 6 Predestination and Jehovah’s Foreknowledge ***
    In trying to prove their point that individuals generally are predestinated, devotees of that doctrine will cite as cases in proof such individuals as Samson, Jeremiah, Cyrus, Esau and Jacob, John the Baptist, Judas, and also Jesus. It is true that before their birth Jehovah foreknew that Samson would begin to deliver Israel, that Jeremiah would be a prophet to the nations, and that John the Baptist would perform a work like Elijah’s in preparing the people for Messiah’s coming. (Judg. 13:3-5; Jer. 1:5; Luke 1:13-17) However, these cases do not match the doctrine of predestination. That doctrine requires that the final destiny of individuals be inflexibly ordained from before the time of Adam and Eve; but there is no evidence of that in these cases. There is nothing to indicate that God’s foreknowledge as to these specific individuals existed much before the time of conception. Moreover, that foreknowledge seemed to concern their activities rather than final destinies; whereas predestination concerns final destinies, and that “without any foresight of faith or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature”. The divine foreknowledge shown in these cases is something quite different from predestination.

    "Despised" and Held "as of No Account"


    Q 3. Why should the Jews have welcomed Jesus, but how did they receive him?

    3. Read Isaiah 53:3. Just imagine what it must have meant for the only-begotten Son of God to forgo the joy of serving at his Father's side and come to earth to give his life in sacrifice to save mankind from sin and death! (Phil. 2:5-8) His sacrifice was to ac-complish real forgiveness of sins, which the offering of animal sacrifices under the Mosaic Law only foreshadowed. (Heb. 10:1-4) Should he not have been welcomed and
    honored, at least by the Jews, who were awaiting the promised Messiah? (John 6:14) Instead, the Christ was ((despised" by the Jews, and they ((held him as of no account," as Isaiah had prophesied. The apostle John wrote: ((He came to his own home, but his own people did not take him in." (John 1: 11) The apostle Peter told the Jews: “The God of our forefathers ... has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you, for your part, delivered
    up and disowned before Pilate's face, when he had decided to release him. Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one." --Acts 3: 13,14.

    So Jesus had such a "high" position that coming to earth was such an ordeal; where was that love Jesus had especially for humans?

    Q. 4 How did Jesus become acquainted with sickness?
    4 Isaiah also prophesied that Jesus was meant to have “acquaintance with sickness." During his ministry, Jesus certainly got tired on occasion, but there is no indication that he got sick. (John 4:6) He did, however, become acquainted with the sicknesses of those to whom he preached. He felt pity for them and healed many. (Mark 1:32-34) Jesus thus fulfilled the prophecy that states: "Truly our sicknesses were what he himself carried; and as for our pains, he bore them.”--Isa. 53:4a; Matt.8:16.17

    sickness--how many elders in your congregation visit the sick or do they send the lowly women? Would they have touched a leper...visited

    someone with AIDS?

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    *** g94 3/22 p. 15 Helping Those With AIDS ***

    What should a person who knows he or she has AIDS do when he or she wants to become one of Jehovah’s Witnesses and get baptized? Out of respect for the feelings of others, it may be wise for them to request a private baptism, although there is no evidence to suggest that AIDS has been transmitted in swimming pools. While many first-century Christians were baptized at large public gatherings, others were baptized in more private settings because of varying circumstances. (Acts 2:38-41; 8:34-38; 9:17, 18) Another alternative would be for the candidate with AIDS to be baptized last.

    As if .. Stricken by God"


    Q 5. How did many of the Jews view Jesus’ death, and why did this add to his suffering?


    5. Read Isaiah 53:4b. Many of Jesus’ contemporaries did not understand the reason for his suffering and death. They believed that God was punishing him, as if plaguing him with a loathsome disease (Matt. 27:38-44) The Jews charged Jesus with blasphemy. (Mark 14: 61-64); John 10:33) Of course, Jesus was neither a sinner nor a blasphemer. But in view of his great love for his Father, the very idea that he was to die accused of blasphemy must have added to his suffering as Jehovah’s Servant. Nevertheless, he was willing to submit to Jehovah’s will.—Matt. 26:39

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    *** w97 1/1 p. 27 Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked ***
    For example, a man who lives a life of immoral debauchery and contracts AIDS may accept the truth and turn his life around to the point of dedication and baptism. Now he is a spiritually clean Christian having a relationship with God and a wonderful hope for the future; but he still has AIDS. He may eventuallydie of the disease, a sad but inescapable consequence of his former conduct.

    willing to SUBMIT to God's or the FDS will?

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    *** w07 4/1 p. 24 par. 12 Loyal to Christ and His Faithful Slave ***

    Therefore, when we loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slave and its Governing Body, we are submitting to Christ, the slave’s Master.

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    *** w98 9/1 p. 15 par. 7 Stay Close to the Theocracy ***
    These make up the composite “faithful and discreet slave.” Christians show their submission to Jesus, and therefore to Jesus’ head, Jehovah, by accepting the oversight of that “slave.”

    Q 6, 7. In what sense did Jehovah ‘crush’ his faithful Servant, and why did this bring God “delight”?
    6. It is one thing for Isaiah’s prophecy to state that others would account Christ as ‘stricken by God’ but quite another for the prophecy to foretell: “Jehovah himself took delight in crushing him.” (Isa. 53:10) Since Jehovah had also stated: “Look! My servant….my chosen one, whom my soul has approved,’ how could Jehovah possibly take “delight in crushing him”? (Isa. 42:1) In what sense can it be said that this brought Jehovah joy?

    7. To understand this part of the prophecy, we should remember that in challenging Jehovah's sovereignty, Satan cast doubt on the loyalty of all of God's servants in heaven and on earth. (Job 1:9-11; 2:3-5) Jesus, by remaining faithful to death, provided the perfect answer to Satan's challenge. Thus, while Jehovah permitted Christ to be killed by his enemies, there can be no doubt that Jehovah suffered when he saw his chosen Servant being put to death. However, observing his Son's absolute faithfulness brought Jehovah much delight. (Prov. 27:11) Furthermore, knowing the benefits that his Son's death would bring to repentant humans brought Jehovah great joy.--Luke 15:7.

    so should the rank and file think that being persecuted is the only way to please God?

    God's servants--only jws

    ABSOLUTE faithfulness--predestination?

    repentant humans--only jws?


    "Pierced for Our Transgression"


    Q 8, 9. (a) How was Jesus "pierced for our transgres¬sion"? (b) How did Peter confirm this?


    8. Read Isaiah 53:6. Like lost sheep, sinful humans have wandered about, seeking deliverance from the sickness and death inherited from Adam. (1 Pet. 2:25) Being imperfect, not one of Adam's descendants could buy back what Adam had forfeited. (Ps. 49:7) In his great love, however, "Jehovah himself has caused the error of us all to meet up with that one," his dear Son and chosen Servant. By consenting to be "pierced for our transgression" and "crushed for our errors," Christ carried our sins upon the stake and died in our place.

    Adam's descendants--not Eve's? If Eve had remained faithful and Adam only been the sinner, would their children have been perfect?

    Adam forfeited--not Eve?

    stake--not cross and no explanation (see picture)


    9. The apostle Peter wrote: "To this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely. He himself bore our sins in his own body upon the stake, in order that we might be done with sins and live to righteousness." Then, quoting from Isaiah's prophecy, Peter added: "And 'by his stripes you were healed.'" (1 Pet. 2:21, 24; Isa. 53:5) This opened the way for sinners to become reconciled to God, as Peter further stated: "Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God."--1 Pet. 3:18.

    model is Jesus--the best one, not OT examples the WTS seems to prefer.

    reconciliation through Jesus alone or 144,000? Can anyone approach Christ without going through the WTS/FDS/GB?



    "Brought Just Like a Lamb to the Slaughtering"


    Q 10. (a) How did John the Baptizer describe Jesus? b) 'Why did John's words prove to be fitting?


    10. Read Isaiah 53:7. 8. When John the Baptizer saw Jesus approaching, he exclaimed: "See, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29) In speaking of Jesus as a Lamb, John may have had in mind the words of Isaiah: "He was being brought just like a lamb to the slaughtering." (Isa. 53: 7, ftn.) "He poured out his soul to the very death," prophesied Isaiah. (Isa. 53:12) Interestingly, on the night when Jesus instituted the Memorial of his death, he gave a cup of wine to the 11 faithful apostles and stated: "This means my 'blood of the covenant,' which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins."--Matt. 26:28.

    may have?

    11 faithful apostles--was Judas gone?

    If Judas was not worthy to be there, why are non-anointed jws present?


    Q 11. 12, (a) What does Isaac's willingness to be offered up illustrate about Christ's sacrifice? (b) What should we keep in mind about the Greater Abraham, Jehovah, when we observe the Memorial?

    11. Like Isaac of old, Jesus was willing to be offered up as a sacrifice on the altar of Jehovah's will for him. (Gen. 22:1, 2, 9-13; Heb. 10:5-10) While Isaac willingly consented to being sacrificed, it was Abraham who attempted to offer the sacrifice. (Heb. 11:17) Similarly, Jesus willingly accepted that he 'was to die, but it was Jehovah who was the Author of the ransom arrangement. The sacrifice of his Son was an expression of God's deep love for mankind.

    WILLING--WILLINGLY--WILLINGLY

    Jesus is described as only an instrument that God provided.

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    *** w97 1/1 p. 22 par. 17 The Greater Glory of Jehovah’s House ***
    Like an official seal ring on Jehovah’s right hand, Jesus is the one who has become “Yes” as Jehovah’s instrument in bringing to reality the many “promises of God.”

    12. Jesus himself stated: "God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) The apostle Paul wrote: "God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” (Rom 5:
    made the sacrificial arrangement possible was the Greater Abraham, Jehovah. We observe the Memorial to his praise.

    And now Jesus is moved to the back "never forget tht the one who made....possible was the Greater Abraham, Jehovah" as Jesus becomes only an instrument.


    The Servant Brings "a Righteous Standing to Many"


    Q 13, 14. How has Jehovah's Servant brought" a righteous standing to many"?


    13. Read Isaiah 53: 11, 12. Of his chosen Servant, Jehovah stated: "The righteous one, my servant, will bring a righteous standing to many people." In what way? The end of verse 12 gives us a clue to the answer. "And for the transgressors he [the Servant] proceeded to interpose." All of Adam's descendants are born sinners, "transgressors," and therefore receive "the wages sin pays," namely, death. (Rom. 5:12; 6:23)
    Reconciliation between Jehovah and sinful man is necessary. Chapter 53 of Isaiah's prophecy describes beautifully how Jesus 'interposed,' or interceded, on behalf of sinful mankind, stating: "The chastisement meant for our peace was upon him, and because of his wounds there has been a healing for us." -Isa.53:5.

    Eve's descendants are born sinner?
    sinful woman?
    sinful humankind?



    14. By taking our sins upon himself and dying for us, Christ brought "a righteous standing to many people." Paul wrote: "God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him [Christ], and through him to reconcile again to himself all other things by making peace through the blood he shed on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens." -Col. 1:19, 20.

    [Christ]--deliberately done to sidetrack a possible trinitarian reference.

    torture stake--no explanation


    Q 15. a) Who are "the things in the heavens" mentioned by Paul? b) Who alone are entitled to partake of the memorial emblems, and why?

    15. "The things in the heavens" that are reconciled to Jehovah by means of Christ's shed blood are the anointed Christians, called to reign with Christ in the heavens. Christians who are "partakers of the heavenly calling" are declared "righteous for life." (Heb. 3:1; Rom. 5:1. 18) Jehovah then begets them as spiritual sons. The holy spirit bears witness to them that they are "joint heirs with Christ." called to become kings and priests in his heavenly Kingdom. (Rom. 8:15-17; Rev. 5: 9, 10) They become part of spiritual Israel, "the Israel of God," and they are taken into the "new covenant." (Jer. 31:31-34; Gal. 6:16) As members of the new covenant, they are entitled to partake of the Memorial emblems, including the cup of red wine, of which Jesus stated: "This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf." --Luke 22:20.

    declared righteous for life--sinless in name

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    *** w96 7/1 p. 16 par. 12 Jehovah’s Great Spiritual Temple ***
    In the case of Jesus Christ, the inner priestly courtyard pictured his sinless condition as a perfect human Son of God. Through exercising faith in Jesus’ sacrifice, anointed followers of Christ are credited with righteousness. Thus, God can justly deal with them as if they were sinless. (Romans 5:1; 8:1, 33) Hence, this courtyard also pictures the imputed righteous human condition that individual members of the holy priesthood enjoy before God.

    new covenant--backbone of WTS explanation of why Jesus is only mediator for the anointed thus only ones entitled to partake--numbers growing each year to the consternation of the WTS

    Q 16. What are "the things upon the earth," and in what way are they given a righteous standing before Jehovah?

    16. "The things upon the earth" are Christ's other sheep who have the hope of living forever on earth. To these also Jehovah's chosen Servant brings a righteous standing before Jehovah. Because they have faith in Christ's ransom sacrifice and thus "have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb," Jehovah declares them righteous, not as spiritual sons, but as his friends, giving them the wonderful
    prospect of surviving "the great tribulation." (Rev. 7:9, 10, 14; Jas. 2:23) Not being in the new covenant and therefore not having the hope of living in heaven, these other sheep do not partake of the Memorial emblems but attend as respectful observers.

    Christ's other sheep though are
    NOT brothers
    NOT sons

    CARROT: Living forever on earth

    Takes other sheep 1,000 years to become righteous/perfect but the 144,000 are instantly perfect upon resurrection.

    surviving great tribulation--only as a group not individually though the WTS gives that impression that individual survival is something to hope for
    .

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    *** w99 2/1 p. 18 par. 17 Our Treasure in Earthen Vessels ***
    As a group, they would “come out of the great tribulation” alive, to inherit the earthly Paradise where “death will be no more.”

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    *** w92 5/1 p. 18 par. 18 Who Will Escape the “Time of Distress”? ***
    That day is near! It is hurrying toward us. The gathering of individuals of the great crowd has been proceeding now for some 57 years. A number of these have died and await their resurrection. But we are assured by the Revelation prophecy that as a group the great crowd will come out of the great tribulation as the nucleus of “a new earth” society.

    respectful observers--but not from 1935-1938

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    *** w79 11/15 p. 27 par. 23 Benefiting from “One Mediator Between God and Men” ***
    Today, according to authentic records, there is a “great crowd” of dedicated, baptized Christians who actively collaborate with the small remnant of spiritual Israelites. Ever since the spring of 1938 they have been invited to attend the annual memorial celebration of Christ’s death, not to partake of the memorial emblems, the unleavened bread and the red wine, but as respectful observers.

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    *** jv chap. 16 p. 243 Meetings for Worship, Instruction, and Encouragement ***
    For the first time, in its issue of February 15, 1938, The Watchtower specifically invited them to be present at the Memorial, saying: “After six p.m. on April 15 let each company of the anointed assemble and celebrate the Memorial, their companions the Jonadabs also being present.” They did attend, not as partakers, but as observers.

    All Thanks to Jehovah and His Approved Servant!

    Q 17. How has a study of the prophecies in Isaiah that center on the Servant helped us to prepare our minds for the Memorial?


    17. The examination of the prophecies in Isaiah that center on the Servant has been a fine way to prepare our minds for the Memorial of Christ's death. It has enabled us to "look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith." (Heb. 12:2) We have learned that God's Son is not rebellious. Unlike Satan, he delights in being taught by Jehovah, recognizing him as the Sovereign Lord. We have seen that during Jesus' earthly
    ministry, he showed compassion for the people to whom he preached, healing many of them both physically and spiritually. He thus demonstrated what he will do as Messianic King in the new system of things when "he sets justice in the earth." (Isa. 42:4) The zeal he showed in preaching the Kingdom, as "a light of the nations," is a reminder to his followers to preach the good news zealously throughout the earth.--Isa.42:6.

    So where are the NT accounts to prepare the minds?

    Not REBELLIOUS

    delights in being taught by.........FDS

    showed compassion--do jws help sick non-jws?

    throughout--not individual witness though

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    *** w00 1/15 p. 13 par. 17 “Keep on the Watch” ***
    True, untouched territories still exist, and it may be that in Jehovah’s due time, a large door leading to greater activity will open. (1 Corinthians 16:9) Nevertheless, the Bible does not state that Jehovah will wait until every individual on earth has received a personal witness. Rather, the good news must be preached to Jehovah’s satisfaction. Then the end will come.—Compare Matthew 10:23.



    Q 18. Why does Isaiah's prophecy fill our hearts with gratitude to Jehovah and to his faithful Servant?

    18. Isaiah's prophecy also enhances our understanding of the great sacrifice Jehovah made when he sent his dear Son to earth to suffer and die for us. Jehovah delighted, not in seeing his Son suffer, but in observing Jesus' absolute faithfulness to the very death. We should share Jehovah's delight, recognizing all that Jesus did to prove Satan a liar and sanctify Jehovah's name, thus vindicating the rightfulness of His sovereignty. In addition, Christ took our sins upon himself and died in our behalf. In that way, he made it possible for the little flock of his anointed brothers and for the other sheep to have a righteous standing before Jehovah. As we gather together for the Memorial, may our hearts be filled with gratitude to Jehovah and to his faithful Servant.


    ABSOLUTE faithfulness--predestination?

    sanctify or vindicate God's name?

    anointed BROTHERS and other sheep (not brothers)


    By Way of Review
    • In what sense did Jehovah 'take delight' in his Son's being 'crushed'?
    • How Was Jesus "pierced for our transgression"?
    • How did the Servant "bring a righteous standing to many"?
    • How has a study of the prophecies regarding the Servant prepared your mind and heart for the Memorial?


    CONCLUDING COMMENTS

    If you had been a jw before the days of "vindicating God's name" and you said that it should be "sanctifying God's name" would you have been an apostate?

    Next week, "How Jesus' Sayings Promote Happiness." While Jesus is in the title, Jesus the person is absent. Are the other sheep considered "sons of God" by the WTS?


    Love, Blondie

  • bobld
    bobld

    Thanks,Blondie.

    More BS from GB.

    In Q8,9.Was Adam the only one who sinned because he knew that it was wrong to eat the Ap[ple

    where as Eve was only deceived? So all sin because Adam sinned. Likewise all are saved because

    one man Jesus paid the price.I believe the GB/WBTS has it wrong ie Jesus/144k because they use

    John 3:16 EVERYONE HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

    The way I see it Jesus' death paid the price for Adam's sin,thus we are free from that sin and can have

    a rightous standing before God.All this wishy washy mubble jumble GOV'T, rulership etc bs in this WT is

    pure B>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Bob

  • LUKEWARM
    LUKEWARM

    Thanks Blondie!!

    I always look forward to your comments and the research you put up - Thanks again!!

    (1) "Isaiah foretold the Servant's sufferings and provided specific details about Christ's death and about the blessings his death would result in for his anointed brothers and his "other sheep."--John 10:16."

    Incredible - they presuppose that Isaiah's writings mirror their interpretation of "anointed" and "other sheep"!(3) The apostle Peter told the Jews: "The God of our forefathers ... has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you, for your part, delivered up and disowned before Pilate's face, when he had decided to release him. Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one." --Acts 3: 13,14

    Why did the Apostle Peter use "God" instead of "Jehovah"?
    (12) Jesus himself stated: "God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) The apostle Paul wrote: "God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Rom 5:8)

    Why did Jesus use "God" instead of "Jehovah" here?

    The apostle Paul when talking to believers uses "God" instead of "Jehovah" - how would a JW be viewed if he did the same?

    (17) The zeal he showed in preaching the Kingdom, as "a light of the nations," is a reminder to his followers to preach the good news zealously throughout the earth.--Isa.42:6.

    Are JW's preaching the same message as Jesus?

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    The whole point is a scam. As there was no Original Sin, Jesus did not need to die in order to save us, because there was nothing for him to save us from. Rather, this is a mechanism to extort obedience to religious leaders, including the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger, which writes such crappy articles as the above.

  • yesidid
    yesidid

    Dear Blondie,

    I am in awe of, not only your brain but also your stomach!

    I swear I would bring up everything eaten for a week if I had to study that cod's wallop.

    When going through your much appreciated comments all I can read is your actual comments.

    Thanks again.

    yesidid

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    A lot more can be said to highlight the falsity of the Society's teachings on who can partake of the emblems, who is in the new covenant, etc in this article. (You seem a bit tired lately Blondie). Where do you start on such a big topic? Heres a few points:

    14."God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him [Christ], and through him to reconcile again to himself all other things by making peace through the blood he shed on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens." -Col. 1:19, 20.

    Paul here says Jesus blood is the means for reconciliation regardless of whether it's something in heaven or on earth. If the means for the 'great crowd' to pass into a new earth is by forgivenss of their sins (which is the meaning of the new covenant) by Christ's shed blood then clearly they should partake at the memorial?

    15. "The things in the heavens" that are reconciled to Jehovah by means of Christ's shed blood are the anointed Christians, called to reign with Christ in the heavens. Christians who are "partakers of the heavenly calling" are declared "righteous for life." (Heb. 3:1; Rom. 5:1. 18) Jehovah then begets them as spiritual sons. The holy spirit bears witness to them that they are "joint heirs with Christ." called to become kings and priests in his heavenly Kingdom. (Rom. 8:15-17; Rev. 5: 9, 10) They become part of spiritual Israel, "the Israel of God," and they are taken into the "new covenant." (Jer. 31:31-34; Gal. 6:16) As members of the new covenant, they are entitled to partake of the Memorial emblems, including the cup of red wine, of which Jesus stated: "This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf." --Luke 22:20.

    But Jesus created two covenants: the "new covenant" and the "covenant for a Kingdom'. Where did Jesus say that the "new covenant" is anything to do with reigning with him in the heavens? Jesus only said this in relation to the "covenant for a Kingdom". This is a classic example of the Watchtower conflating both covenants to mean the same thing: only about ruling as kings in heaven. The new covenant is about forgiveness of sins and it applies to everyone who has faith in Jesus shed blood for forgiveness of their sins, irrespective of whether they feel a heavenly or earthly calling.

    16. "The things upon the earth" are Christ's other sheep who have the hope of living forever on earth. To these also Jehovah's chosen Servant brings a righteous standing before Jehovah. Because they have faith in Christ's ransom sacrifice and thus "have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb," Jehovah declares them righteous, not as spiritual sons, but as his friends, giving them the wonderful prospect of surviving "the great tribulation." (Rev. 7:9, 10, 14; Jas. 2:23) Not being in the new covenant and therefore not having the hope of living in heaven, these other sheep do not partake of the Memorial emblems but attend as respectful observers.

    But hold on a minute, the "other sheep" have NOT YET "washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" because they great crowd is a FUTURE class, which the Society now admits. And in a 2000 QFR the Watchtower Society finally also admitted that the great crowd stands in the temple itself, the 'naos', not one of the outer courtyards. Rev 7 says the great crowd is "rendering sacred service" in the naos. Is it reasonable to think that the great crowd are sanctified enough to be described as standing in the temple itself rendering sacred service having been washed in the blood of the Lamb yet they are not in the new covenant and are thus not permitted to partake of the emblems? It's absurd and contradictory reasoning which is obviously false.

    And who would the first century Christians have understood the "other sheep" to be? Who was Jesus talking to when he uttered John 10:16? Do you suppose first and second century Christians interpreted this to mean Jesus was prophesying about an unknown religious group who would have an earthly hope millinnia into the future, or do you think they would have realised that that Jesus was here talking about non-Jewish sheep who would be added to the Christian fold when Peter used the keys of the kingdom?

    If you are a lurking JW who does not have a "heavenly hope" you should still partake of the emblems if you believe Jesus is your saviour and his blood acts for forgiveness of your sins.

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Thanks Blondie! I must say that I'm surprised that they didn't go with a "Don't partake unworthily" theme.

    Once again, Writing Department screws up right from para. 1 with the phrase, "the vindication of Jehovah's sovereignty, the sanctification of his name". The NWT doesn't even use the word "vindicate" anywhere. "Vindication" only appears once... in a footnote.

    (Ezekiel 6:7) 7 And the slain one will certainly fall in the midst of YOU, and YOU will have to know that I am Jehovah.

    Footnote at end: "And you will have to know that I am Jehovah." Heb., wi·dha?·tem´ki-’ani´Yehwah´. The first of more than 60 occurrences of this phrase in Ezekiel, referring to the vindication of Jehovah’s name on earth.

    Hmmm, looks like they never bothered to check their own NWT on this "vindication of Jehovah's NAME" thing. Well, Botchtower never lets a little thing like accuracy stand in the way of their teaching.

    Para. 4, Botchtower says, "During his ministry, Jesus certainly got tired on occasion, but there is no indication that he got sick." Ummm, let's take a look at Jesus own words speaking of his (the Son of man) future separating of the sheep and the goats.

    (Matthew 25:34-36) 34 "Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, YOU who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for YOU from the founding of the world. 35 For I became hungry and YOU gave me something to eat; I got thirsty and YOU gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and YOU received me hospitably; 36 naked, and YOU clothed me. I fell sick and YOU looked after me. I was in prison and YOU came to me.’

    Although the application here could be foggy if one insists that this is an illustration and Jesus isn't "the king", in reality the gospels speak of Jesus (the King of Kings) being hungry, thirsty, accepting hospitality, and imprisoned just before he was crucified. Likely he would have been in need of extra garments at times. So, Jesus chose to add, "I fell sick" in the list. Nowhere does it say "Jesus never fell sick", nor does it say that everyone around him was sick at one time or another and he was magically immune. I guess Writing Department figures that the Bible is so incomplete that they are qualified to fill in such details... in spite of Jesus own words.

    Para. 7, Once again with the old "challenging Jehovah's sovereignty" thing. And every time I check WTLib, the word "sovereignty" doesn't appear in the main text, and only about three times in footnotes. "Sovereign" appears many times, most in OT, but they all are used in "Sovereign Lord" or "Sovereign Lord Jehovah". Hmmm, doesn't sound like any of the Bible writers, or even Jesus, were at all acquainted with this notion of anyone challenging Hojovah's sovereignty". But of course, Botchtower never lets a little thing like accuracy stand in the way of their teaching.

    Para. 8 & 9 logically lead one to wonder if Jesus really was the messiah. "By consenting to be "pierced for our transgression" and "crushed for our errors," Christ carried our sins upon the stake and died in our place." Wow, that's awesome... hey, but why are we STILL sinners and STILL dying nearly 2000 years later? Hmmm, maybe Isaiah was talking about someone better than Jesus that is still yet to come. And they continue, "The apostle Peter wrote: "To this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely...."" Was Peter really talking about following Jesus' steps? Uh, Jesus spoke in riddles, healed the sick, maimed, deaf, blind, raised the dead, magically produced bread, fish, and wine, calmed storms, and so on. How exactly are we supposed to follow his steps closely... he could walk on water, too! Oh, and with Jesus' suffering, he died at 33, so are we supposed to follow his steps by being tortured and die at Calvary so early in the prime of life? This all makes it easy for an ex-JW to completely lose confidence in anything the Bible says.

    Para. 11, Jehovah doesn't seem to be delivering on what he advertises, "it was Jehovah who was the Author of the ransom arrangement". Okay, presumably Jehovah looked favorably upon the sacrifices of Abel. Yet he didn't look favorably enough upon them to protect Abel from a violent death. Then, as the supposed last sacrifice, Jesus was killed for the releasing of mankind from sin and death... yet everyone continues to die. Umm, what "ransom arrangement" is Hojovah the "Author" of exactly again?

    And from there on, Botchtower false advertising, false prophecy, and ignorance of the Bible round out the "remnant" of this lesson.

    Yadda yadda 2, for the Memorial this year, I'm thinking of opening a red zinfandel that I've had for years and topping my crackers with an appropriate cheese. Do you think Jesus would approve of using zin and the addition of cheese? Or maybe since I've become an atheist, would Jesus accept the substitution of beer and Cheetos? Perhaps I'll save the zin and cheese for when I have a hot date to celebrate the Memorial with.

    B the X

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Thank you.

  • watson
    watson
    Jehovah delighted, not in seeing his Son suffer, but in observing Jesus' absolute faithfulness to the very death.

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