Any Elders here ever DF someone, because the SPIRIT told them to?
by maryacclaim 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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blondie
What do you think from this? Now the bible is from holy spirit and they can pray for holy spirit but does that mean elders have never made errors when df'ing someone? They have and I have seen it. The errors have gone the other way where someone was not df'd that was not repentant but the holy spirit failed to reveal that to them. Many elders will feel that as a group they were directed by holy spirit, but does that mean that they could not do it out of spite, being told lies by the "witnesses", or some other situation?
*** w92 7/1 pp. 15-16 par. 7 Elders, Judge With Righteousness ***Elders acting in a judicial capacity should remember that the real Judges of each case are Jehovah and Christ Jesus. Recall what the judges in Israel were told: "It is not for man that you judge but it is for Jehovah; and he is with you in the matter of judgment. And now let the dread of Jehovah come to be upon you. . . . This is how you should do that you may not incur guilt." (2 Chronicles 19:6-10) With reverential fear, the elders judging a case should do their utmost to be sure that Jehovah is really ‘with them in the matter of judgment.’ Their decision should accurately reflect the way Jehovah and Christ consider the matter. What they symbolically ‘bind’ (find guilty) or ‘loose’ (find innocent) on earth should be what has already been bound or loosed in heaven—as revealed by what is written in the inspired Word of God. If they pray to Jehovah in Jesus’ name, Jesus will be "in their midst" to help them. (Matthew 18:18-20, footnote; TheWatchtower, February 15, 1988, page 9) The atmosphere at a judicial hearing should show that Christ is truly in their midst.
Blondie
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sspo
Holy spirit has nothing to do with Df .
It's the GB that tells the elders what's right and wrong and what to do with individuals that sin.
Everything is laid out in the elders book and 3 chapters on JC are encouraged to be read before dealing with an individual accused of
wrongdoing.
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minimus
No. The SPIRIT never told me to do anything. But the spirits did.
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maryacclaim
I had added a comment as well when I posted this topic, but it didn't show up once it posted. I have been having problems with the site lately, it hasn't been allowing replies or posts sometimes.
What I had added to my original post was...
If you have DF'd people while being an elder, have you ever contacted those individuals, once you left the organization, to let them know that you were sorry for what you had done to them?
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drew sagan
what a question maryacclaim!
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stillajwexelder
YES - and I am truly sorry
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Chalam
Hi,
The WT have zero understanding of the scripture and want you to have the same :(
Matthew 16:17-19 (New International Version)
17 Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
The binding an loosing is clearly talking about spiritual warfare, binding those who hail from Hades and loosing those bound to Hades so they can enter the Kingdom.
Paul says it here.
Ephesians 6:12 (New International Version)
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
It has nothing to do with the judgement of their so called "elders".
All the best, Stephen