by oompa 9 Replies latest jw friends
i mean all these rules and structures and teachings.......come from some changing guys we dont even know......and ya...these guys change about every year...an so does what they teach......but i dont know a single one of them..........oompa
yet........damm........i lived over forty years trying to do what they say........never even knew em.......damm i was not lucky from birth......NLFB...
You must submit...
Resistance is futile.
stop it vets........be serious.....i mean we flukkin do all this fds say....and i only met maybe two....oompa
I know someone who knew someone’s Uncle’s cousins sisters friend who met someone who saw a gb during a Bethel tour.
No seriously, my mate came back from a visit to Brooklyn bethel and had photos of one of the gb in the socialising room; they were having some sort of gathering. I will never forget when Franz came to Melbourne back in 88 or 89 I think it was (Royal Melbourne Showgrounds). After the final hour long prayer, the arena grounds filled with the r & f running to the stage as he got off, it took him an hour to leave the arena. It was loony, particularly when one brother came running back yelling “I touched him!” No joke, true story.
But I agree Oompa, they make all these rules, some of which totally screw up people’s lives (blood issue for instance) but when the whole thing goes pear shape, they wipe their hands and introduce “new light” and then have the audacity to say “we never printed or said that”. And when you show them that they did say that, the table is turned on you for being nitpicky/negative and you sound like an apostate!
Matieu.
You are supposed to obey the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger no matter what. Even if it is obviously not working. Even if it is messing up your whole life. Even if it can be proven wrong from their own Bible. No matter--until they themselves change it, you go by the bad advice they give.
If they change something that was once correct to something wrong, you now have to go by the now-wrong advice until they change it back. Progressive truth? Progressively brighter light?
Yes, oompa - I used that one when some elders came a-visitin' once. They were talking about trusting the FDS to prepare the right food at the right time. I said how can I trust them with life-altering decisions(blood) when I don't even know them?(and it's hard to trust some people one does know!) The one elder said he'd met a couple of them and they were "real nice fellas, very spiritual". Oh, well, fine then - my life is in their hands! Not. And now I wonder what kind of spiritual...
That particular tag-team has never returned to my doorstep - maybe I planted a seed, dunno. Nice to think maybe I did.
To question their authority in your life is valid and logical - the JW's defense of them is beyond reason and definitely illogical.
Been away for a while - nice to see you again, oompa. My best to you
Watkins
That's where its nice to read the Crisis of Conscience book. It really brings the GB to a more human level.
I remember a number of years ago, I wrote a letter to the Watchtower headquarters asking questions about doctrine. As normal practice, they did not answer the questions, but sent an elder to knock on my door. He really pushed for me to go to the Sunday talk because it was a slide presentation (I always loved those things). The person showing the slides showed a picture of the governing body. I recognized the picture because it was in a anti witness book I was currently reading. The speaker asked the congregation if they knew who these men were or what their names were. You could have heard a pin drop. No one in the audience had a clue. I knew some only because of the research I was doing (Lol). But yet every one there was putting their life in these mens hands. Not to mention, these men also had the ability to change the bible to suit their needs. How can anyone check their credentials or education in doing this type of work? But yet, they have many many followers just following and thinking it all comes from Jehovah God himself, so it must be true. Unbelievable!
odd isn't it?....so many other cults have these very dynamic leaders.....people become enchanted with them....sometimes as much as the carrot they hold out.....yet not so for dubs......a three word blurb in the bible FDS does it..........weird..........oompa
The anecdotal defense argument given with regard to GB/FDS members fails the litmus test. Men and women who have done and continued to do terrible things know how to "be nice". Ted Bundy and the BTK killer knew how to appear "nice" and even "charming".
When I read passages in some of Pauls letters with regard to "being obedient to those taking the lead", or to "imitate" the faith of these ones, the ONES then were those whom those counseled to do so knew who these were. They were able to "contemplate how their conduct turned out." It is impossible that these letters were submitting that they should "be obedient" to people whom they did not know and could not observe.
Note Pauls words at 1 Corinthians 16:15-16 - Now I exhort YOU, brothers: YOU know that the household of Steph′a·nas is the firstfruits of A·cha′ia and that they set themselves to minister to the holy ones. 16 May YOU also keep submitting yourselves to persons of that kind and to everyone cooperating and laboring.
The ones he was writing to knew Stephanus and the knew persons "of that kind". It would be these whom you would submit to. Even in all of this one would never "Put their trust in nobles" and would always "let God be true though every man [in the congregation and in positions of authority] be a liar" and too would always "test the inspired expressions" against the scriptures and ones own heart [even if it is treacherous, because this is the only one we have which can possibly motivate us] with regard to its application. (Ps. 146:3-4;Ro. 3:4;1 Jn. 4:1).
