know any cases of this?
FALSE ARGUMENTS AGAINST THINGS
by badboy 5 Replies latest jw friends
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ziddina
Hmmm. Not sure if this is what you're going for, but...
This is a flagrant example of a "false arguement" - the character in this video knows nothing about the subject he's trying to refute... I ran into this insanely hilarious video on YouTube - the knucklehead knows absolutely NOTHING about geology, but... If you know something about classifications of rock groups, geologic time periods, [EDIT] whoops, no plate tectonics - buuut, you'll find this a scream - or really, really sick...
Enjoy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqHFLDnhhTA&feature=related
[I still can't believe this idiot... Zid]
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Spook
Not sure what you're going for here, but some of the most common problems of reasoning I've seen are in the following categories:
1. Anecdotal justification. (Someone one knows claims X, therefore X is probably the case.)
2. Correlation equals causation. (Marijuana use is correlated to the use of other substances, therefore the use of marijuana causes people to use other drugs rather than the alternative that people who use both marijuana and other drugs do so for some underlying reason.)
3. Post-hoc rationalization or post-hoc ergo proctor hoc. (Something happened without a good explanation, so what's the explanation? For example, I woke up with a headache today and last night I ate peanuts. It MUST be the case that peanuts cause headaches.)
In general, a logically false argument against a thing would be one that entails some assumption which falsifies the argument. For example:
(P1) Assuming God exists, the divine name, Jehovah, is both the true name of God and an important bit of knowledge for all humans.
(P2) The new testament has been preserved completely and accurately reflecting all important knowledge Jehovah wants people to have.
(P3) The new testament does not contain the name Jehovah at all, especially in reference to God.
(C4) Therefore the new testament demonstrates that God's name is Jehovah.
This is a fales argument because P3 contradicts the conclusion, and therefore the conclusion does not follow from the argument. One of the following disjuncts must be true instead of C4, which is false
(C5) God does not exist.
(C6) or else...Jehovah is not God's name, were God to have a name.
(C7) or else...The new testament has not been so preserved as in P2.
(C8) or else...God, were he to exist and be named Jehovah does not hold it as remotely important that his name be known.
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HintOfLime
Lol, that video is too much. He equates scientists to the people who believed the earth was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth.
Some people have some really funky wiring in their heads.
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badboy
Example of a false argument against something is if I said for sake of argument, pointed out that the Turin shroud was fake, I theerefore concluced that Jesus didn't existed.
This argument is similiar to concluding that evolution is a falsehood because piltdown was a forgery.
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ziddina
Spook! GREAT! Beautiful analysis!
HintOfLime - Glad you liked it! I thought it was hilarious! Someone needs to explain to that guy that those are Classifications and Categories... Not specific layers but MULTIPLE sections of layers representing specific time periods... And that the layers don't necessarily exist all over the world - they thin out and disappear - and are called by other names in other geographical areas wherein they do exist, and so on...
And radiocarbon dating, and magnetic dating of lava flows, and so on... Can't remember all the techniques for dating rocks right off the top of my head...
But, BadBoy, in that case, wouldn't that aspect make that video a 'false argument'? He states [thru his misunderstanding of geologic time scales and the terms used to describe the sections/layers that they are comprised of...] that the categories are in fact layers of rock, therefore the lengths of time postulated by geologists must be false because 'geologists claim' "[for the sake of argument] it takes 54 million years to form one layer"...
Aaaoough! I'm still ROFLMAO about that!!! Zid