A CALL FOR ACTION IN FRANCE - PLEASE HELP

by bj 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • bj
    bj

    As I said in a previous message, the President of MILS, Alain Vivien in his new Parlament Report on Sects, is plaining to classify JW a RELIGION (the exact term "ASSOCIATION CONFESSIONNEL"). If this would be left done it would be another victory for JW and other European countries might follow the example.

    Somebody (Malka) called this a "fake". My information is based on reliable sources, which for confedential reasons I can't reveal them yet. But all those who know me by now , know for what I stand.

    Therefore, continue sending letters in mass to Mr. Alain Vivien to stop this none sense. The future is in your hands.

    e-mail: [email protected]

    address: Mr. Alain Vivien
    Mission Interministérielle de Lutte contre les Sectes
    66 rue de Bellechasse
    75007, Paris
    France

    please can you also send a copy for the record to: [email protected]

    Thanks again,

    Joe

  • mikepence
    mikepence

    Your desire to take action is admirable.

    See http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=16936&site=3#207381.

    Peace,
    Mike

    XJW User Submitted News & Views at http://xjwnews.com

  • bluesapphire
    bluesapphire

    Okay, I sent the following e-mail. Hope it helps.Mr. Vivien:

    The reason I am writing is due to my concern as a former Jehovah's
    Witness over your designating the title of "association confessionel" to this organization.

    When I was recruited into the organization I was told that I was
    free to leave if I ever wanted. I was never told that I would lose
    all of my friends and family if I did. Currently, my sister is for-
    bidden to talk to me and has been told she must "develop an
    abhorrence" for me. The official media website for the Watch-
    tower Organization www.jwmedia.org states with regard to those
    who "simply cease to be involved" that they are not "shunned."
    Clearly, this is a gross misrepresentation of the reality! The
    organization breaks up family ties and relationships. In effect
    they hold their adherents for ransom. If I should want a relation-
    ship with my sister again, I must FIRST return to the JW
    organization. There is no freedom of conscience for the indi-
    viduals.

    The reason I left the organization is simply because I do not agree
    with their policy on blood therapies. However, I am not allowed
    to continue to be a JW if I do not refuse blood for myself and
    for my children. This is despite the fact that their blood policy
    has changed many times in the past. I also disagree strongly
    with the policy on pedophiles. My child was molested by an
    individual in the congregation and the elders told me I must "Never,
    ever say the word 'molest' with regard to any witness." They swept the whole thing under the rug and no authorities were called. I
    was discouraged from discussing it further with anyone and was
    told to drop the matter.

    Allowing the JW organization to be legitimized as a religion is
    a slap in the face to all of those people like myself who have been
    denied their freedom of conscience by this organization. Would
    you call the Taliban an "association confessionel?" Would you
    call Jim Jones or David Koresh the same? If not, then please
    do not commit the travesty of legitimizing the Watchtower
    Organization as a religion in France until the Watchtower
    changes its policies on blood, pedophiles and shunning.

    The organization cares very much for money and legitimizing them
    will give them more money. Only pressure from the politicians
    of the different countries will cause this organization to
    re-evaluate and change their policies toward individual
    freedoms. The same freedoms which they demand for the
    organization are the freedoms they deny to their members.

  • detective
    detective

    With all due respect Mike, this fellow is asking people to make a commitment of time and effort to put out a letter or email. He is not asking for money for a "professional" press release. I think we've already seen the product of grass roots efforts as the Watchtower ran tail between it's legs from the UN scandal. Asking people to give what they can, in a whatever way they can, is helpful. You asked for monetary resources for something that may or may not be effective in this uphill battle. Rather than feel disappointed about the lack of success in drumming up monetary resources, I personally think it's wise to concentrate on something positive we are trying to do with our voices alone. We've seen what our voices alone can do. Stir them to scream and they might be heard. Ask them to pony up for something people have been busy trying to do for free (contacting press, composing letters and releases) and you may not have as much success. That doesn't mean that if someone can only contribute by writing a letter we should dismiss that contribution. Should we not encourage people to do the best they can by whatever means they have? Try not to be too upset that that particular idea did not go over with a bang. People are still working hard at this. Let's focus on doing more today than we did yesterday and keep at it in whatever way we can.

  • Celia
    Celia

    G.H of MMIL (Mouvement Missionnaire Intérieur Laïque) says the following :
    ...en essayant de plus en plus à être reconnus par les autorités qui existent, les TdeJ prouvent de la même manière qu'ils ne sont pas le véritable peuple du Seigneur...

    By trying more and more to be recognized by the authorities, the JWs
    give us proof that they are not really God's people...

  • Malka
    Malka

    Well... This is a hoax after all anyway, as I said :-)

    Richard Maynacque wrote to the ministery and asked them. The answer (reproduced at the bottom this mail) says that it is actually a fake.

    In short, it says that 1) the MILS *NEVER* have proposed to remove the WT from the list of sects, they do point out that they can't recommand a movement as being a sect but that the WT absolutely finds that the WT do attack the human rights.

    They do ask too, where this rumor is coming from, as it is NOT exact.

    That does seattle it, doesn't it?

    Cyril

    === COPY OF THE LETTER FROM THE MILS ====

    Mission Interministérielle de Lutte contre les Sectes
    Le Secrétaire Général

    "Par courrier du .... Reçu le ...., vous me faites part du fait que la M.I.L.S aurait émis une recommandation pour que le mouvement des T. De Jéhovah ne soit plus considéré comme une secte.
    "Je souhaite que vous me transmettiez les références du site faisant état de cette affirmation qui ne correspond absolument pas à la réalité.
    " ... La M.I.L.S n'indique pas si un mouvement est ou n'est pas une secte mais précise sans ambiguïté que les T. De Jéhovah constituent un mouvement dont certains des comportements sont incontestablement attentatoires aux libertés et aux droits de
    l'Homme."

  • Celia
    Celia

    Here is an article written by Jacques Luc (Belgium)
    about what constitutes a sect....
    It's in French, but very good....
    http://www.lalibre.be/article.phtml?id=11&subid=119&art_id=49910

  • Malka
    Malka

    Yes, Jacques Luc writes very good articles and works quite seriously.

    And we can happily see, that the French *still* will consider the WT as a sect.

    The MILS is BTW interested in knowing who started this rumour.

    Regards

    Cyril

  • chasson
    chasson

    No,when Bj wrote this, this was not an hoax, i have receveid the same information.

    Bj could have direct information you don't have. Now the Mils report is edited with two month of delay without the controversy's word.

    This is a really good news.

    Bye

    Charles

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