Buddies and friends

by Dogpatch 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    If a man must have one thing in life, what would it be? A wife? A child? A good job?
    No, a good male friend. At least, that has been my experience in 36 years of living in the equivalent of a male dormitory. I currently have four roommates, who have been here for 26, 11, and 9 years, and our newest Black brother has been with us for 5 months now. All masculine, heterosexual businessmen. An engineer, an attorney, a marketing agent, and a football coach.

    see http://www.freeminds.org/blogs/from-the-desk-of-randy/buddies-and-friends.html for recent pics

    My amateur hobby is sociology and understanding coercive persuasion. Trends, hype, memes and peer pressure are subjects that intrigue me. In my work I run across a lot of people who are victims of these trends, but at home the atmosphere is one of sharp criticism, light sarcasm, a quick wit and the promise of embarrassment if you promote a bogus idea. If one of us does not get called on carpet for something dumb, we will make up arguments just for fun. We love to argue. Often the neighbors join in.

    Little boys dream of soldiers and tanks and cars and puppies. As they get older, they dream of sports, and girls. By the time they get married and settle down, they usually have to readjust their REAL dreams (their life’s hopes and plans) to match their circumstances. Plans to race Formula One cars or being the world’s strongest man are left behind in the aging process. (Women, by contrast, often reinvent themselves in their 40s.) How doth a man survive this apparent failure to reach his goals in life? Male friends, for the most part.

    What Men Need

    • Guys need to bond; they need to feel affirmation from other guys.
    • These must be guys that they look up to.
    • Male friends have to be honest and reliable; guys that will “cover their back,” so to speak, and support them in those rare moments when they are vulnerable and have temporarily lost their way.

    At least in my circle of close male friends and neighbors, who are mostly surfers and jocks, it is not hard to guess what they need: Identity, masculinity, and the knowledge that they have “made the grade,” in terms of being a man. No one wants to be called a “fag,” or a “little bitch,” or anything that threatens their masculinity. This is the obscene moniker they dread the most. No one wants to be called a “fag.” It is denigrating to the male ego. It makes a man question if he, after all, really is a man.

    Having lived my entire life with lots of people in my house, both as a child and after leaving the nest at 17, I can speak from experience. My parents entertained guests all the time. We lived on a “ranch” with a couple of acres, with horses and dogs and cats and a raccoon. We had an extra room, which was usually occupied by one of my childhood buddies who were down and out or kicked out by their parents. Bob B. was one of those boys; homely, with one trailing eye and a roly poly body. Some would call him lazy.



    Randy, Bob and my cousin Mike circa 1967

    My mom was long-suffering, but when Bob stopped working and made it his profession to annoy everyone by lazing around the house all day, my mom set his belongings out by the corral, in a bag! She didn’t tolerate bad behavior. But Bob remained best friends with us. He eventually got married and had an adorable little girl during the time I became a Jehovah’s Witness.

    Years later, Bob called me up at Bethel out of the blue (it took him awhile to locate me and figure out I had become a Jehovah’s Witness), and told me that he loved me, and wanted to thank me for those years of being his friend. Bob was now 22 and divorced; his wife having left him. He had become well-off and successful, but not in his marriage. Had I been there for him in the end, he probably wouldn’t have pulled the trigger. I found out a couple of years later. They found his body in a cabin at Lake Arrowhead, after three days missing.

    Bob had no buddy to talk to in the end. I was too wrapped up in my cult adventure to follow through and find out that he was depressed and suicidal. It just wasn’t his style; he was a survivor, a tough guy. We vused to race my beat-up Ford Cortina against his old VW bug in the dirt roads of Irvine Ranch for miles. He was a man’s man, but in the end he found himself alone and unwanted. His business success meant nothing to him when the day was done.

    At this same time, circa 1976, I befriended a local brother in my Brooklyn congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. He was a pioneer, and had the kind of energy and smarts that made him my type of buddy. Jack G. had no father to help him. Yet he was determined to be a real man; a strong virulent example of "what a Black man should be." He was handsome and muscular, learned Martial arts, had a pretty girlfriend, and was very articulate and self-controlled. He applied for Bethel service and was accepted, and was assigned to the ink room, where ink was made for the large rotary presses. Jack was a perfect model of a man. Too perfect, actually, which was a little unnerving. What drove him to such efforts at perfection?

    Jack ond Ron (and me) in New Jersey canoeing

    I am not sure, but I suspect it was the missing dad, and Jack’s need to feel like a whole man. Working his way up the ranks in the JWs made him feel wanted and needed. Guys seem to need that more than most people think. They just will never say it. Especially not to a woman.

    Jack lost his girlfriend one day. She jilted him. I found out what happened a few days later, when Jack didn’t go out to the congregation on the subway with me. The next day, I discovered that Jack was so upset about his girlfriend that they had him go to the infirmary, where he became animated. Not being comfortable with the “booming voice of a big Black man,” Bethel called the proper contacts and had Jack committed to the local mental hospital. His only visitor was myself and another elder... for about a year! No one else from Bethel. He was put on anti-psychotic medication and gained a lot of weight. I cried. This was my buddy! Jack, my best conversationalist friend and companion, got his head stapled to the wall by the Bethel family.

    Jack took this picture of us canoeing in Jersey

    Jack got out and became an insurance salesman. How do I know? He called me years later, knowing that I was no longer a JW, and thanked me. He really didn’t care why I left. All he knew was that my bond with him was stronger than his religion. Jack valued my friendship.

    I am not sure why I have found this story to be the exception among Jehovah’s Witnesses. So many seem willing to cut off their own sons; their own fathers, from their all-important affection and approval. Are they really so cruel? So bent on punishing the “bad” man; the one who DARES raise a hand against Jehovah’s Organization?

    I am taking a guess that the problem is both cowardice (fear of losing face or position in the congregation), and the failure to ever develop strong male bonds. I can’t imagine my father would ever cut me off from anything short of acts of wanton violence! Sure, he may completely disapprove of me in one way or another, but to cut off his affection and love given to me? That’s like taking it out on your pet dog by never petting him again. If such dogs could commit suicide, it would cross their minds. In the case of people, it does. Contrary to how it may appear, men grieve, and they grieve hard and sometimes in violent ways.

    I have seen a new generation of former Witness men come to grips with the failed male figures in their lives. It is usually a father; but sometimes a brother, or even a very close friend that they have become painfully estranged from. The pain has reached the tipping point; they must find a healing from the pain. For some it is writing about their life, for others it lies in finding buddies and friends.

    Don’t let your life pass by without good friends.

    Randy

    www.freeminds.org

    www.randallwatters.org

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Randy..Good thread..

    .........................OUTLAW

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    Thanks for sharing... I was speaking to a friend.Who's Father deserted him
    He told me he then turned to male friends & WANTED to become gay!!!
    Do you not think that many men that NEED males as mates ,Are hiding
    inner feeling of being GAY & afraid to "come out" I think it is MOST important
    to be true to oneself.

  • Deputy Dog
  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Randy

    I'm happily married and my wife is great. Having said that, I highly value my close male friends. I feel the older I get the more I value them. I don't know if it's due to my dad's early death (46) or not.

    Where in New Jersey were you canoeing?

  • leftbelow
    leftbelow

    This is so true. I almost lost one of my closest friends because he was labeled an Apostate shortly after he got out of Bethel. Thankfully he was very understanding years later when I found him again.

    Thanks for sharing this story. It needed to be told. I only wish I hadn't let this cult steal 17 years of friendship from me.

  • yknot
    yknot

    ... So true of every male really (regardless of current sexual preference).

    My hubby says it is all about deep loyalty and support through goodtimes and bad. A person(s) who men can be 'weak' in front of without fearing judgment and know they will receive upbuilding.

    I am sorry about Bob

    I am mad about Jack, he sounds like he needed a friend (male) to assure him that every guy goes through such losses and that he would survive. He also probably needed a little doting on by some sisters too, to reaffirm he was worthy of being a 'great catch' and she (ex-gf) must have lost her mind to let him go.

    Thank you for sharing! Men really aren't that different then women in emotional needs, rather it is all in expression and frequency.

  • I quit!
    I quit!

    Great post. You have been lucky. The older you get the harder it is to make friends. A lot of people that leave the Watchtower have trouble forming social relationships once they are out.

    Something I'm wondering about. I'm going to send you a message.

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    Thanks for the comments.

    Grace: I don't think it works the same with gay men. I haven't seen the same kind of bonding there. It's different, perhaps more like with girls and their friendships. When you add "attraction" in a sexual sense, it seems to kill the bonding. Just my opinion. This type of bonding would be broken if any sexual advances were made from either side. Probably different with women.

    I think a "straight" man would be disappointed in trying to find this type of relationship from a "gay" man (I really don't believe in these labels anyway, BTW). There is a big difference in seeking buds who are your core life friends... your peers... your equals.... as opposed to fulfilling some need for a daddy or need for a close physical relationship with a man. That is a whole different issue. Think dogs in a pack. There are unspoken rules and boundaries. Together, like a pride of lions, you have a lot of power to face life. You are not alone, no matter what mess you fall into. But with humans (unlike lions and even male dogs) you are not going to have sex with each other. That would be lame.

    Deputy: I think this was taken at the Delaware river, but we used to do the Wading River and the other little one near it (forgot the name), very narrow in places. In the last picture, that was taken near the Wading River when Junie, the big guy on the right, stood up in the canoe and tipped us over. Then, because he was wet and his sleeping bag was wet, he got too close to the fire and the end of his bag caught on fire! Crazy dudes from East New York (Brooklyn) in my congregation. They were like 15 years old. :-))

    Rich, the other white guy in the photo (middle) was in my congregation, too. (Linwood)

    Randy

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    Thanks for setting me straight Randy.
    Now is there going to be a male bonding on the 22nd of this month??
    Its YOUR Birthday EH!!!!???

    29 Again

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