Newspaper to ex-churchgoers: "Get a Life!...

by Preston 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • Preston
    Preston

    I read this article in THE SCOTTSDALE TRIBUNE today. I thought some of it was worthwhile, some of it biased. This person obviously doesn't know anyone that had to make the difficult step of leaving a high-control religious group like the Mormons. It was written by Bob Schuster. BTW, I already posted this on the http://www.exmormon.org board.

    "Call it the Mormon non-story that just won’t die.
    It pops up every year or so. It reappeared in last Sunday’s Tribune under the headline, “Ex-Mormons struggle with alienation after leaving church,” by William Lobdell of the Los Angeles Times.
    And it will reappear countless times in the future.
    But please, don’t blame the reporter or the newspaper. Lobdell did a commendable job reporting the goings-on of the three day “Ex-Mormon General Council” that took place a stone’s throw from the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City.
    It was probably one of the better-read stories in that day’s paper. Many Mormons read such stuff and wince. Many non-Mormons read it and nod their agreement. I’ve been hearing the stories of “alienated” former Mormons and non-Mormons since moving to Arizona 30 years ago. My reaction now is the same as it was when I head the first tale of woe: Get a life!
    I am neither a Mormon nor an ex-Mormon. While living in two of Arizona’s smaller towns and in the East Valley, my wife and I have had Mormon neighbors and coworkers. Our kids have gone to school with Mormon kids, some of whom were friends.
    We have never felt ostracized, excluded or discriminated against. But I suppose we could have, if we had looked hard enough, found some reason to feel persecuted by members of that religion that so many love to hate.
    And there have been, from time to time, legitimate concerns that Mormons, particularly in Mesa, have gotten preferential treatment for public positions or contracts. Whenever the Tribune has aired those concerns, there has been constructive public discussion and steps taken to ensure fair dealing by our public institutions.
    Private institutions and associations, however, are another matter. Individuals should be free to associate – or not associate – with others.
    It is human nature to forge bonds with others who share similar beliefs and interests. It’s also human nature to feel hurt when a member of the group, clique, association or church leaves because of a fundamental difference of opinion.
    It shouldn’t be surprising when members of the group are taken aback. Some may feel deeply insulted. Some may feel defensive – even threatened.
    Someone leaving any church may, in turn, sense that reaction and feel alienated. Quitting a social circle might elicit a similar reaction, but probably not as strong as when the break involves deeply held religious beliefs.
    Most folks presumably get over it and move on. Even immature junior high schoolers shunned by the “in crowd” soon learn that sulking does no good.
    But others don’t move on. They stew. They feed off the resentment of others who feel similarly jilted. They look for ways to reinforce their painful decision.
    Therein lie the seeds of hatred.
    What is truly troubling is the manifestation of that hatred in organizations, books, conferences and public testimonials in which ex-members of the faith demonize it and its adherents. There are groups of ex-Mormons dedicated to “saving” Mormons from what they claim are the evils of the church.
    Everyone is entitled to their beliefs-loving or hateful. But when the hateful beliefs spill over into hateful actions that include bad-mouthing other religions or badgering their members, it’s time for a reality check.
    My heartfelt advice to these disgruntled ex-Mormons is to get over it. Get on with your lives. Form new ties with others who share healthy, positive interests.
    Vilifying another’s faith doesn’t qualify as either healthy or positive. It is, instead, a recipe for unrest, unhappiness and even violence.
    Religious beliefs by their nature cannot be proven or disproven. They are matters of the heart.
    Every church is a community of believers. If your heart isn’t in one religion, find another. And for God’s sake-and your own-leave the former one and is adherents alone."

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    That might sound like good, sensible advice to those who were never in such a high control group. What if the religion you leave denies you the close association of family and friends? Where is their right to do that? Why can't they leave you alone when you walk away? That was the issue not addressed.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    The problem with advice like this from someone who never was a 'gruntled' member of a cultish group is that they don't really believe that 'disgruntled' ex-cult members have a real beef. They haven't experienced for themselves the disappointment of having fully believed in a group of religious leaders who equate themselves with God, only to have their beliefs dashed to pieces by hard reality. In other words, they never had solid beliefs, and they can't understand why anyone else would either. To them, religion is a minor part of life not to be taken seriously.

    Many cultish groups actively demonize those who leave. The writer fails to acknowledge this, instead taking to task ex-members who 'demonize' their abusers. The writer obviously has some sort of agenda, or is not thinking clearly.

    AlanF

  • Preston
    Preston

    Well, to be fair, I think the writer addressed how difficult it is to leave a religious circle:

    Quitting a social circle might elicit a similar reaction, but probably not as strong as when the break involves deeply held religious beliefs.
    But, I think he's oblivious to the fact that the very hatred that he mentions in ex-mormon cricles is inherent in the Mormon church. Until this is addressed, the Mormons will continue to have problems with people finding their own support groups outside the church.
  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    >"Even immature junior high schoolers shunned by the “in crowd” soon learn that sulking does no good."<

    This is true. Many of them commit suicide. Of course, they have voices we can't hear right now.....

    BITE ME, WATCHTOWER!!!

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus

    True, AlanF. Those who say "Get a life" haven't been in a situation where the church IS their life, and having had that taken from them are desperately trying to take that very advice!

    "Oh God! To hear the Insect on the leaf pronouncing on the too much life among his hungry brothers in the dust." - The Ghost of Christmas Present

  • Bodhisattva
    Bodhisattva

    I think this writer has tapped into something by being oblivious to the difference between a non-member and an ex-member. Every high-school angst movie or TV show I now of is more interesting for its depiction of someone going through the struggle of exiting the In Crowd, and not just people who were never in, angst-ridden as we are.

    The experience is different, which should be obvious without saying. But it is much like the experience I had talking to a co-worker Friday: "But I'm sure the Jehovah's Witnesses can't be that bad," sums up his comprehension of my situation. What could I do, insist on how weak and subservient I was? Of course there will be a lack of understanding.

    Usama Bin Ladin's mom says she disagrees with some views of her son, but she loves him and can't believe he would do what he is accused of, of even say what others can clearly see and hear him saying on tape. My mom sat across a from me in a restaurant and said she loves me, even if she doesn't agree with some of the things I do. I couldn't ask what things, I immediately realized that she has to think I do bad things, rather than just having views with which she disagrees. Perhaps she doesn't like that I have given blood to save strangers. Perhaps she doesn't like that I have gambled, on two occasions more than a year apart, blowing 1 1/2 day's wages in a few hours. I never told her I did these aweful things, and I never asked what bad things she thinks I did. Usama's mom doesn't believe he did things he admits to. Mine thinks I've done bad things just because I don't believe in the Watchtower. Mr. Schuster, like my co-worker, has no idea.

    Bodhisattva

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