Congregation "Bible Study" Comments - Week Commencing 27 July 2009

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  • LUKEWARM
    LUKEWARM

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    *** lv pp. 215-218 Blood Fractions and Surgical Procedures ***

    Blood Fractions and Surgical Procedures

    Blood fractions. Fractions are derived from the four primary blood components-red cells, white cells, platelets, and plasma. For example, red cells contain the protein hemoglobin. Products developed from human or animal hemoglobin have been used to treat patients who have acute anemia or massive blood loss.

    Where has the WTS got their list from as I get 5 primary components from this website:http://books.google.com.au/books?id=ZAeLUdYOq64C&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=primary+blood+components&source=bl&ots=dU8qYbSGAx&sig=Do5zVDrsKr9mzX-zzdUkZVRRKYk&hl=en&ei=s8luSpqyLtaJkQWv9JjGBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5

    So JW can have fractionated bovine (cow) blood: http://ajwrb.org/basics/hemopure.shtml

    Plasma-which is 90 percent water-carries scores of hormones, inorganic salts, enzymes, and nutrients, including minerals and sugar. Plasma also carries clotting factors, antibodies to fight disease, and such proteins as albumin. If someone is exposed to a certain disease, doctors might prescribe injections of gamma globulin extracted from the plasma of people who already had immunity. White blood cells may be a source of interferons and interleukins, used to treat some viral infections and cancers.

    So witnesses cannot take plasma, but can take all components of plasma separately!

    This is a good read about how ridiculous the policy is

    http://www.ajwrb.org/forbidden.shtml

    Search "white blood cells in breast milk" on Google, where you are likely to find many references saying that 1 drop of breast milk contains around one million white blood cells or leukocytes, that fight infection and activate other defence mechanisms - yet WTS says JW's cannot take them

    Should Christians accept therapies incorporating blood fractions? The Bible does not give specific details, so each one must make his own conscientious decision before God. Some would refuse all fractions, reasoning that God's Law to Israel required that blood removed from a creature be "[poured] out upon the ground." (Deuteronomy 12:22-24) Others, while refusing transfusions of whole blood or its major components, might accept treatments involving a fraction. They may reason that at some point fractions that have been extracted from blood cease to represent the life of the creature from which the blood was taken.

    Considering "The Bible does not give specific details" about fractions where does the WTS come up with the approved list?

    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/blood-transfusions.php

    If blood must be poured on the ground, where are the blood fractions they use derived from?

    If those fractions were taken out of blood would they "cease to represent the life"?

    When making decisions about blood fractions, consider the following questions: Am I aware that refusing all blood fractions means that I will not accept some medications that include products to fight diseases or that might help the blood to clot in order to stop bleeding? Could I explain to a physician why I reject or accept the use of one or more blood fractions?

    How does one use the scriptures to "...explain to a physician" the WTS stand on blood?

    Surgical procedures. These include hemodilution and cell salvage. In hemodilution, blood is diverted from the body, replaced with a volume expander, and later returned to the patient. Cell salvage captures and returns blood lost during surgery. Blood is recovered from a wound or a body cavity, washed or filtered, and then reinfused into the patient. Because the methods of applying these techniques can vary from physician to physician, a Christian should find out what his doctor has in mind.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/medical/177865/1/Experience-regarding-Cell-Saver

    When making decisions about these procedures, ask yourself: 'If some of my blood will be diverted outside my body and the flow might even be interrupted for a time, will my conscience allow me to view this blood as still part of me, thus not requiring that it be "[poured] out upon the ground"? (Deuteronomy 12:23, 24) Would my Bible-trained conscience be troubled if during a medical procedure some of my own blood was withdrawn, modified, and directed back into my body? Am I aware that refusing all medical procedures involving the use of my own blood means that I would not accept a blood test, hemodialysis, or a heart-lung bypass machine?'

    A Christian must decide for himself how he will allow his own blood to be handled in the course of a surgical procedure. The same applies to medical tests and current therapies that involve extracting a small amount of one's own blood, perhaps modifying it in some way, and then reinjecting it.

    Lurkers, please follow the WTS advice: "A Christian must decide for himself" and investigate this policy thoroughly- this list may help:

    Jensen blood letters (an elder corresponding with the WTS over 5 years on the blood issue) towards the bottom of this page

    http://www.ajwrb.org/watchtower/index.shtml

    Letter written by our very own Vinny:

    http://newsblaze.com/story/20081209054218zzzz.nb/topstory.html

    A chapter Ray Franz wrote in his second book:

    http://www.commentarypress.net/cpn-essays/English/4C648686-695D-48C7-ACA8-A52794ED6128_files/Search-Eng-Chap%209.2006.pdf

    [Box on page 217]
    SUGGESTED QUESTIONS FOR THE DOCTOR

    If you face surgery or a treatment that might involve a blood product, check that you have completed the appropriate legal documentation, such as a Health Care Proxy, which is designed to protect you from blood transfusion. In addition, you might ask your physician the following questions:

    - Do all the medical personnel involved know that as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I direct that no blood transfusions (whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or blood plasma) be given to me under any circumstances?

    - If a medicine containing blood fractions is recommended, what is its makeup? How much of this medicine might be administered, and in what way?

    - If my conscience permits me to accept a blood fraction, what are the medical risks? What alternate therapies are available?

    Before deciding on any of the foregoing, express your concerns to Jehovah in prayer. He promises to give the needed wisdom to all who "keep on asking" for it in faith.-James 1:5, 6.

    [Chart on page 216]

    WHOLE BLOOD
    UNACCEPTABLE: Red Cells White Cells Platelets Plasma

    CHRISTIAN Fractions Fractions Fractions Fractions
    TO DECIDE from from from from
    red cells white cells platelets plasma

  • carla
    carla

    The chart is from wt literature?! seriously? a jw can see right before their very eyes that chart and not see how assinine it is? As a jw how did some of you feel about accepting blood (products) from a cow? how did you justify that in your mind? it seems to me that it should really creep a jw out to be putting blood from an animal into their body, no?

  • insearchoftruth
    insearchoftruth

    Thanks again lukewarm, off a week and still on the blood stuff.....I tried to discuss fractions with my wife and she spewed out the tripe that the bible does not address fractions.....and she does not get it that fractions come from STORED BLOOD........yikes

  • blondie
    blondie

    carla, I would check page 216 on the study book on this thread or one that your husband has, perhaps making a photocopy.

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    This friggin' policy is so complicated, most older JWs still go with the 'absolutely no blood' stance from years ago. It's just easier () for the older mind to deal with. And so the risk to one's life increases when one joins this cult. Caveat Emptor!

    As I've said before, if JWs truly believe in this then they would abstain from their own blood and drain it all from their bodies right now. That's how assinine this policy is.

  • carla
    carla

    Thanks Blondie, I have restricted access to all things jw now! haha, might use them for apostate reasons ya' know. Only allowed use if I will study without my brain intact, no researching or checking things out! the brothers did all that for me

    Very weird, all really old lit is available to me and how ge got his hands on it I don't know, current & members only stuff is stashed away.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Pick this up from JWD forum.

    www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/160479/1.ashx


    Its a new book for JWs telling them basically how they should behave.

    2008 Keep Yourselves In God's Love--PDF!

    Bookmarked

    Searchable

    Reduced to 2.4-MB

    Please note the"Appendix"of this book!

    Click the link at the bottom

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/yz14qm

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Here is an example of a rule that they have dissected. You are supposed to decide in advance which fractions you will accept--and, should you change your mind later, you are stuck with what you originally chose (regardless of new information that comes to light later). Worse, Brother Hounder is watching you fill out that card, and if you are too lenient, you might find yourself being marked as "bad association". Hardly a free decision.

    On the flip side, blood is potentially dangerous. Type mismatches happen a lot. People can have bad reactions to blood--if you have allergies and take blood that has the allergen, you are likely to have a reaction. Infections like hepatitis and AIDS are still occasionally found in blood, and no test is foolproof. Beyond the risk, blood is a scarce commodity and should not be wasted on stupid transfusions (like taking a blood transfusion just because of a borderline number when you are feeling fine).

    In a blood transfusion case, the benefits should be weighed against the risks. If there is slight to no benefit, you might refuse a transfusion on the grounds that it is going to cost more than it's worth (in terms of money, use of a scarce commodity, and risk of complication). However, if the situation is more critical, one should just take the blood regardless--at that point, the benefits will outweigh the costs.

  • outofthebox
    outofthebox

    Darn! That's crazy cult talk! It makes no sense. LOL.

    ootb

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