Elder Talk Part 1 - Remembering

by Lee Elder 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • Lee Elder
    Lee Elder

    O.K. – let’s talk about the elders, circuit overseers and district overseers you’ve dealt with. The good, the bad, the ugly, the stupid, etc. Just go ahead and unload both barrels; reload if you want to.

    Then in a future thread we can discuss how to drain the energy from these memories so that you remember without reliving. There are some simple and effective techniques to recover from post traumatic distress.

    I want to add that I’ve read some remarkable posts in the two threads listed below. I wish there was more serious, quality discussion like this.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17907&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17880&site=3

  • Satanus
  • ElijahTheThird
    ElijahTheThird

    Grins at Saint Satan that was nice of you.

    Hi Lee Elder; For some reason I seemed to attract the attentions of the Elders and CO's and DO's. Even Franz sent his "Doc" to visit with me before he died. So I have a few experiances with them. You may find them interesting.

    Yet to me I wonder at the experiances ones have had with the Anointed? Yes, there are fakes and they get sicker every year they partake. Even so there are still a few of them in the halls, WHAT is their "culpability"?

  • rekless
    rekless

    I remember a bro. gunther in Mississippi back in the early 70s.
    He and his wife were the sweetest people I ever met.

    They stayed with us we were in our early twenties they were in their late sixties he taught me how to repair sewing machines and she taught us how to make Mexican corn bread( the best I have ever ate.) But when we moved to California the COs & Do s were so demanding. They expected the congregation to buy bread machgines and appliancies that our wives did not have.

    Some wanted this plant and others wanted that plant incorporated in the landscape.

    It got to the point I hated to see the or hear of the CO's visit.

    I won't be-labour you any longer.

  • one
    one

    i may be posting under the wrong topic, some spelling and rambling but any way

    as a teenager i was part of a judicial commitee, i did not like it, they even appoint you, by "holy spirit" ,to positions without even asking you if you are willing to take the position. It happened to me several times.

    once you are deep inside or with some 'spiritual' resonsabilities i dont see how anyone can not become aware about the stupidity the system, unless i was stupid myself.

    for example, your left hand should not even know what right hand is doing, but here they are forcing everyone to report their preaching activity in detail, and measure your spirituality based on your record. I always hated that.

    even comparing the wt rules against the bible you quickly realize they dont harmonize and if you continue fully supporting the system something wrong with you.

    exactly what is wrong?
    lack of honesty, integrity?.
    how can a person become so blind?
    many people have difficulty dealing with conflict of interest...

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi LE: At your conclusion you cited my post and one by Dungbeetle (lover these screen names).

    I felt mixed about emotions them because some comments were thoughtful, and some were very 'black and white', cutting no slack to men holding reservations who stayed on as Elders.

    I had reservations for many years, and the last three years of my JW life, I essentially knew it was not the 'Truth'. My last 5 months as a JW, I absolutely knew it was not the truth. But, the growth, the realization, sequence of events, planning to leave, and leaving all took time to emerge ... and I think that this is what many misunderstand, and judge wrongly.

    Amnesian best espressed this angst on the part of non-Elder JWs, especially women, when she said,

    "I can only imagine how much sooner I might have given in to my own terribly eroded faith had I witnessed even one man I considered to have integrity simply walk away from the madness. I simply don't see how interceding here and there on behalf of the friends by a "good" elder does anything but reinforce the myth and help others justify staying."
    She clearly, like many JWs, follows men, at least men she feels that she respects. She takes her "cues" from such respected individuals. And she is angry at herself now for having trusted men. Yet, she fails to see that many good men, and likely some she at one time respected "DID" leave ... but the Society is so clever about vilifying those who leave, that she would have lost her respect for them, and thus not followed them out of the organization. She fails to see the insideous cruelty of cult mind-control.

    In my follow-up post to her, the one that you did not cite, I explained to her that the average JW is just as culpable as Elders, and showed how this happens ... but, I have to go back and see if she responded.

    Thanks for a good post, and I hope that many thoughtful replies will be added. - Amazing

  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    probably the best thing said in this whole 'elders' multi-thread discussion is what Lee Elder said >"I wish there was more serious, quality discussion like this."<

    Definitely the 'discussing' part is far more important than the opinions.

    ((((( Lee Elder ))))))))

    BITE ME, WATCHTOWER!!!

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