A question on counting time

by Bandit 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • Bandit
    Bandit

    Well after lurking for a year I figure it's time to start giving back and geting views on my own thoughts, here we go. My wife (a JW I'm not)was saying lastnight that she felt bad because she only got 2 hrs this month so far (going out all day today). Never mind the fact she's started to volunteer at a childrens hospital.

    Question from readers: Is counting time out in service a proper thing for a true Christian to do?
    The Bible admonishes us to "store up treasures in heaven" by doing good works. And the greatest work of all is of course the field ministry, but to keep track in the manner of a "time sheet" would not be appropriate. Jesus cautioned us to "Be careful not to do your `acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth; they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (Mat 6:1-4)

    The reasons for this are to prevent man's boastful nature from feeling superior to others if he has a larger "time sheet", secondly to prevent a person from focusing on the amount of good deeds done instead of the quality of deeds. Thirdly, since our salvation is not dependent on how many "works" we perform, we should not be so concerned with counting their numbers in order to reach a quota and gain a prize. Rather, we should strive to do good deeds since it is a loving expression of a having a Christ like nature.

    A man who does many fine works is definitely pleasing to God, but there is no need for that man to keep count of them. Having a counting sheet which lists the number of hours, magazine placements or bible studies conducted is unchristian and shows a lack of faith in the Father who surely knows the man's accomplishments. The only reason for a person to keep track would be to boast over his neighbor in order to obtain special earthly honors or privileges which are based on an outward appearance of "service".

    There are many reasons why one person can not perform as many good works as another (family obligations, illness etc.). Our heavenly father takes all these in consideration (Mark 12:43-45), a time sheet does not. On such a ledger of deeds, placing 30 magazines with people who may never read them seems more impressive then a honest-hearted discussion with a troubled person who finds comfort in the good news. Focusing on these numbers would lead one to be more proud of the actual number written down, then the quality of deeds done. Such a practice would unfairly give earthly honor to those with a time sheet that only impresses an accountant.

    EPH2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast. Concentrating on counting and completing a quota of works is a thing only for boasting. A good Christian is humble and has no need for boasting, nor any to count his works.

  • rhett
    rhett

    No, its not a proper thing for a Christian to do. Then again, being a proper Christian has never stopped JW's before........

    I don't need to fight
    To prove I'm right
    I don't need to be forgiven.

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    Wow, that is right on the money. Too bad they are too busy wrapped up in numbers to see it for themselves.

    "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

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  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Ray Franz book, COC, had some good memos to the GB, even from the "higher ups," who blasted this counterproductive requirement!

  • Mum
    Mum

    Welcome to the forum, Bandit. That was a great post.

    Watchtower doublespeak is too much! They used to tell us that when we were baptized we dedicated our lives to God, not to an organization, but somehow without the organization, God was unreachable, unavailable, and we cut ourselves off from Him by leaving the org. Your post is along the same lines about their dual spin on counting time.

    Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

    I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix

  • Mister Biggs
    Mister Biggs

    Hello, Bandit.
    This is my first post. This coming Monday, I was going to start a thread regarding Field Service time. What I was going to say (Heck! I will still post it Monday) was, in one of the recent magazines in 2002, there are some examples of three spiritual sisters. Unfortunately, I do not have the magazine with me at this very moment, but what I remember about it bothers me. The first example was said to be a sister who goes out and preaches for 70 hours a month. The next sister was said to preach 50 hours a month. The third sister, while her hours weren't displayed, was desribed as a "zealous" person. My thought on that article were: a) Why is it necessary to display any of their hours? Why couldn't they give their examples without showing their hours? b) Who really is zealous? If I get 8 hours a month, am I not zealous? c) Would the Society ever put an example like this in their mags?: "Joe Publisher, who goes out and preaches 6 hours a month, met a man at a bus stop...now the man and his family are all faithful Witnesses." Ah, but they would print the story if it went like this: "John Pioneer, who goes out and preaches 70 hours a month,..." and got the same results. Why differenciate between Joe Publisher and John Pioneer? Anyway, just my two cents.

    Aight!

  • Adonai438
    Adonai438

    You are right on the mark there. Ephesians was what I was going to say but ya beat me to it :)
    Christians are saved by grace and out of love for God and love for other people they do good works but the works aren't what saves them.
    Sorry to say but the WT needs to keep their people at work so they don't have time to read the Bible for themselves and the WT needs them to find new JWs to replace the ones that have wised up.

  • moman
    moman

    The JW's work for FREE for a publishing company....end of story!

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    My husband uses the illustration of "can't you just see Jehovah up there with his stopwatch, seeing if everyone is counting their time correctly?" Ugh! What an organization!! The longer I'm away from it, the more I wonder how I ever swallowed their crap!

    Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)

  • slipnslidemaster
    slipnslidemaster

    You should have spit and not swallowed...

    Slipnslidemaster:"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is."
    - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut

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