Why I don't love Jehovah (part 2)

by Mindchild 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    Love reminds me a lot about quantum physics. All of our best minds really don’t know what energy really is. All we see and know is the effect of energy. The concept is very difficult to define and so is love when you try to put it merely in the physical realm.

    We do of course experience loves effects in this world and this is where we should also experience the most powerful source of love in the universe…that of God. But I say this LOVE is missing in action and is nowhere to be found.

    You know as well as I do, that if people hear a big lie enough times, a lot of them believe it and want to continue believing it no matter what the evidence says. The big lie of course is that God really loves this world and sent Jesus and things someday are going to be hunky dory and we are going to live happily ever after.

    In my own mind, I knew I couldn’t find any physical evidence of God’s existence and I could have left things like that but I really wanted to be sure there was NO God. It was a radical change for me, a complete 180-degree change from where I was before. I needed more than the lack of evidence to really know down inside that I wasn’t making the biggest mistake of my life.

    The only way to answer that was by taking the most outstanding human characteristic known: LOVE and do some testing to see if the signature of God’s LOVE was anywhere to be found.

    I was becoming adapt at the physical sciences at the time (majoring then in geophysics) and I looked for some evidence of love from God in the physical world. After all, the Society taught us that our world was special, it was exactly at the right place in space to sustain life, protected us from danger from outside our world, and that the Earth itself was ideal for life.

    It is all a crock of shit. We know now that there is a wide variation in the orbits of planets where atmospheric conditions as ours can exist. It is the size of the planet and the composition of the atmosphere that is important. Even Mars is now thought to have been very Earth-like billions of years ago. We know that large asteroids and comets hit the earth routinely, and we can see the enormous damage they have done to all living things, wiping out nearly all species a few times in the past. I discovered that the Earth itself has regular climatic cycles that turn the whole planet into deep freeze at times (whoops God must have forgot to pay the heating bill) but anyway…there was no evidence of any love in the Earth Sciences. The astronomical and biological sciences showed an even dimmer hope of finding any love expressed by God.

    I began to study catalogs of biological abnormalities of humans, and I was amazed at how sloppy our genes are and how the fundamental design of all living things follows the simple rule of genetic replication at the cost of the individual. In other words, once you or any other animal gets past the prime reproductive stage of life…it is all downhill from there. Biology doesn’t care. Longevity of all species is related by body size and heart beats. It has the clear and unmistakable signature of natural selection working but no loving creator.

    The last place to look for evidence of God’s love was in the human heart. Of all things, this paints the bleakest picture for no evidence of divine love. Maybe I shocked you by saying this…please read this again…

    The human heart shows no evidence of God’s love.

    How can I make such a statement? After all, this is how we all experience love is it not?

    Look at it this way, if you (as I once did) believe in a creator, he must have much more love than I could even imagine. It would be fair then to say that in my limited ability to understand and express love, I could test for effects of God’s love.

    Putting aside no support from the physical and biological world for love, how does our love show us there is no divine love? That it is an illusion.

    I shouldn’t be able to demonstrate more love than God…but humans often do…at least the God described in the Bible. If you read the Bible carefully, you will see a lot of things that make you really feel uncomfortable about this God. The supposedly divine record shows a God who is hateful, vengeful, quick to anger, and murderous. I asked myself: if I were somehow able to replicate the events that happened in the Hebrew Scriptures in today’s world, and I carried out the same judgment that God did…would it be respected and accepted by the world community? The answer is a resounding NO. I would be a war criminal, an insane egomaniac that would be hunted down by the authorities and executed. Try all those scenarios on for yourself and taste the bitterness of what you find.

    Are the Greek Scriptures and Jesus any better I asked myself? Not much. God’s only answer seems to be mass murder of anyone who doesn’t want to be a JW. In our world, we treat even the mentally incapacitated and don’t hold them accountable for their disorders (at least this is how it is supposed to work) Yet we hear time and again that not only do you need the “truth” to save your ass you need to work it off by selling literature and trying to infect others with your mind virus. Will God save the dumb ones? Don’t you think killing someone because they don’t agree with what you say is a bit extreme? Do you want to kill me for telling you this? If you do, you are a sick puppy.

    None of this sounds like love to me.

    If I had the information back then to go further, I would have asked a lot more damning questions…why for instance was Jesus healing all those people physically (because he loved them dummy) and yet the world’s religions, especially the Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t do squat in really helping you get over your physical sicknesses and diseases…in fact they make things worse for you. Why didn’t we at least get a warning from the Witnesses that due to corrupt politicians and greedy businessmen that our world has been poisoned and we are dropping like flies from cancer and other environmentally influenced diseases. Yeah, they warned us about cigarettes. but big deal, and that was because they were afraid that demons were going to get you more than anything else.

    I think my dog has more love to give than what I see from many religions (not all but most) and regardless of their collective sincerity and intentions, I don’t see squat for anything supernatural.

    Well this is pretty damn depressing isn’t it? Even if you believe I’m totally disillusioned and feel pity for me that is all right. This post won’t change your world and I’m sure not trying to make you feel miserable. If you didn’t like what I said, you need not allow it to get to you, but hopefully you might realize someday that the love we have between each other is all we got. That is where I’m at, and my resolution for this coming year is to help others help themselves to experience and demonstrate love more. I can’t save the world; it doesn’t want to be saved. I just want to hang with some people that love love and love life for what it is and that is an opportunity for us to grow, to make things a little better than we found them, and to choose happiness.

    I don’t love Jehovah, because there is nothing there to love.

    Skipper

  • Francois
    Francois

    You're so right. Jehovah ain't there.

    And there is NO proof of God anywhere in logic or reason or nature.

    The only proof of the existence of God is via a personal, internal experience of your own. Prior to having this experience, no amount of words would be enough to convince anyone of the existance of God. After such an experience, no words are necessary.

    But having the experience. Now, there's the trick. And the way that's done is different for everyone. And it ain't easy.

    At least that's my two cents worth.

    Francois

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Mindchild

    Don't blame you. How jws and christians can denounce others for not loving god, when they have never felt the love, of god is beyoond me. If someone experienced gods love, they would definitely know it. It wouldn't be on the level of being hit by lightening, but it would be a lot more impacting than any loving/friendly/lust/desire/bonding feelings between any two people on this earth.

    SS

  • Preston
    Preston

    I'd like to think of things this way: The God I know (from the Bible) is worse than the God I don't know. Either way, loving God is kinda ambiguous. How can you love someone you can't see, get to know personally, or even have a two-way conversation with. I love my family and friends more than Jehovah. And JW's will say, you get to know God by reading about him. Personally, reading about God from the OT is like reading about the strangest psychotic. I've often wondered while reading the Bible, "What the hell?"

  • forgetmenot
    forgetmenot

    Sometimes, I fancy that there is no God. My friends, devote Christians of various faiths (religions and beliefs), tell me I don't mean it. I don't know if I want believe in God because it scares me that there could not be one (because it does), or because simply of love.

    I decided that I do not love the JW/Society's God, Jehovah. They have ruined that name for me and I have since re-evaluated my feelings toward what the bible says.

    Are the Greek Scriptures and Jesus any better I asked myself? Not much. God’s only answer seems to be mass murder of anyone who doesn’t want to be a JW.
    Is this one of JW's teaching or one of Jesus’ teaching?

    I do not believe in God, as in one big man who has fingers and a face. I do not believe in a mean God. Yes I do believe that the Hebrew Scriptures could have happened, and that he was mean. They made a contract though, with him, and violated it many times. They made a promise that they could not keep.

    I may not believe in God at all. But I do believe in systems and dimensions. My hypothesis: God/Jehovah/Y.... /"he causes to be come" (I think that's the definition of "Jehovah") is simply energy and matter. We (including animals and plants) are all made of energy and matter, and so are each a little part of God (or this energy/matter substance). The purpose of the New Testament is to inspire is love/energy/Godly feeling. When we die, we change state. (Do not ask me how this all plays out with the judgement/Revelation/Second Death thing in the bible, haven't gotten that far yet).

    I don't know a whole bunch about science or math (I have just begun to study them all in depth). Maybe you have thought all this out, and perhaps in the future I will decide my thoughts are not correct (for me).

    But I really think that the New Testament is really just a description. And like describing things that we cannot see in science, it just assigns names to different objects, so that we can "see" something we cannot see. For instance, electrons become excited but we cannot "see" them move around, we just have to imagine them. We cannot "see" love in our hearts; we just have to imagine it. But that does not mean that neither of them exist. We cannot "see" energy, but we know it's there.

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