GOOD NEWS!!! MY BROTHER'S OUT!!!

by Bendrr 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • Bendrr
    Bendrr

    I called my brother this evening and he asked me if "mom told me the news". And in the last 2 calls I've had with my mom, she hasn't said a word. He da'd himself. He's online so I'm emailing him the url of this board. I told him to come by because we really need to talk. While he said he was trying to get back in, he also sounded happy to be out. I guess I need to temper my excitement with discretion. Can't lay the heavy stuff on him all at once you know. At this point, Matt's still in-between worlds and I think undecided.
    He has no clue about the history of the JW's nor of the differing policies worldwide. I don't know when he's coming by, so I have to do a cram session on what to tell him and where to point him to on the web to see for himself.
    When he told me he was "out" I couldn't help but tell him how happy I was for him. I told him it's a whole new world out there for him and how I had thought about him and felt concern for him for so long and it was such a relief for me to hear the news.
    Ok, I'm gushing on and on now so I'll stop.
    I ask the experienced old-timers here for guidance. What do I tell him? I mean, where do you start with a lifelong member who claims to be trying to get back in? I know I can't make the decision for him. Where do I point him online so that he won't say "ugh apostate site" and click it off?
    I don't know what else to say so I'll leave it at that.
    Happy!
    Mike.

    I may not like what you have to say, but many men gave their lives for your right to say it.

  • lydia
    lydia

    That is the greatest news I've heard today!! Congrats! Come into the chat when he get to this site - we'd love to congradulate him!!
    ( My Adopted sisters and I)

    Lydia

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    Well, I'm not an old-timer (on the board -- in real life, I'm getting there! ), but I have an opinion.

    Forget about cramming your own head full of info and forget about pointing him to myriad internet sites right now.

    Sit him down and LISTEN to his reasons for disassociating himself.
    It is curious that he should disassociate himself and then say he is trying to get back in. One is usually pretty certain WHY they want to leave the Society rather than have the Society force them out. Did he DA himself by actions that would have gotten him DF'd? And is that why he says he's trying to get back in? Or is he just saying he'll try to get back in to placate your Mom and other family members?

    LET HIM KNOW that you will be there for him whichever way he decides to go.

    IF APPROPRIATE, share why YOU left and will never return.

    AT THE FIRST SIGN THAT HE IS UNCOMFORTABLE OR YOU NOTICE HIS EYES GLAZING OVER, STOP and ask him "How 'bout those _______?"

    I'm very happy for you, Mike.
    Good Luck!

    outnfree

    When the truth is found to be lies
    and all the joy within you dies ...
    -- Darby Slick, Somebody to Love

  • Richie
    Richie

    Mike...
    I am very happy for you that your brother is now able to be a real brother to you.
    If I were you, I wouldn't worry too much whether he is going to be shocked too soon. Remember he da'd himself, so he knows what he is doing. Just let him ask you any question and you just answer him every time - he will recognize how you've changed for the better.
    When he peeks into this board, he will be amazed and "liberated" even faster - so be happy that he is back from the zombie land and I wish you all the best and continued success in all your endeavours.

    Give my regards to your brother!

    Richie :*)

  • Bendrr
    Bendrr

    [bringing this thread back to the top, I need to]
    Outnfree, (and the rest) let me give some background. Matt is my younger brother. We've never been super close, we just each did our own thing growing up. When he was real young, he did look up to me and copy me like a little brother does. Me, being the a**hole I have always been, I was mean to him and we grew apart as young siblings. When I was df'd we lost contact completely. I've only seen him 2 or 3 times since 92. And my parents never really talk about him to me, mom always just says "oh he's always so busy we don't stay in touch" or excuses like that. But in the times I did see him I always had this feeling about him.
    The last time I saw him, he brought his Jeep in to my shop for repair and I took him to lunch. (I posted that story in September). Over a few beers at lunch he more or less confessed he was living a double life, typical of most of the JW young people of today. I held back from trying to talk him out of the org at the time, but I did tell him I would stand by him regardless of his decision like a brother should. I won't go into details unless you want me to regarding his public reproof, but I will say that it was not handled properly. I do hope Amazing checks in on this thread, I would like to share the story with him.
    Which brings us to tonight's thread. He told me that he [and possibly others] went to "them" [his phrase] and told all. I asked him "so you d.a.'d, huh?" and he said yes. Now I don't know what the official thing was, da or df. He wasn't even clear on when it happened or what precipitated it. (I just hope he didn't get some JW chick knocked up! I'll kick his ass if he did and I expect y'all to hold him down for me!)
    I just want to be the brother he lost. Gonna be hard. Y'all pray for us to be a family again.
    mike.

    I may not like what you have to say, but many men gave their lives for your right to say it.

  • Bendrr
    Bendrr

    Just thought I'd share the email I sent Matt tonite....

    Well, this is going to be hard to write.
    First and foremost, I was an asshole to you for 20 years. We could have been a lot closer if I didn't choose to carry around a massive attitude for so long. I lost a lot of friends that way in years gone past, and I feel like you were one of them.
    I can't go back in a nuclear-powered DeLorean and alter history like in the movies, I can only try to influence the future.
    I also can't carry a burden-laden past. I can only say I'm sorry for being such an asshole. I could have been a much better older brother but that chance passed me by.
    I don't know what transpired in the family after I left. I can only imagine how you felt. In the last several months before I left, you were getting to be a really cool kid. I really enjoyed having you around. You and 'Pree. (you do remember "Skittles" right?) We had a few good times I remember. One night Pree was spending the night and I got home from work late that night after Mom and Dad were gone to bed. We sat up and listened to this tape of a comedian I brought home. We laughed our asses off, remember what it was? "Be-Be's Kids by Robin Harris". When I did go out in field service, remember how sometimes it was you and me and Jonathan Coffey and maybe Arra or Pree? Boy could we knock down an hour or two just driving to "return visits" and the whole time we were just basically goofing off. Jonathan is another regret I have. I'm glad we got closer before I left. I'd like to say some of the same things to him I'm saying to you.
    But he's not my brother.
    And you can't dwell on the past.
    I look at you now and I really don't know you. But I'm not as dumb as I look. I can see a conflict in you. You have the same free spirit I do, yet you have the same natural yearning for family, old friends, and sameness-for lack of a better word. I told you at Fuddruckers that day that it wasn't my place to tell you one way or the other what to decide to do with your life. Now I am going to tell you what to do with your life. Looking back at when I was df'd in '92 I wish I had it to do all over again. I'd have gone in and quit instead of getting fired.
    Before you jack this email, I'm not an apostate so don't go there.
    You told me on the phone tonight that you "just had to experience life". Well guess what? You've been doing that since you were born! Only in the last few years you've done so with guilt and fear every time you've enjoyed it a little too much. Now you still have guilt and fear, but you also feel free don't you? You're at a crossroads. One you can always go back to and take the other fork, but the path you're on now holds far more of the unknown. The other path, the "straight and narrow" as taught to you all of your life like mine is known to you like the back of your hand. You know what lies there, as did I. It's familiar. Old friends and familiar routine. On that path there are no questions to be asked. It is simply to be followed.
    No questions.
    You left that path, at least for the time being.
    Your path now is totally different. You may know what tomorrow or next month holds but now the future is ever-changing. Sometimes bright, sometimes dismal. As you go along, you learn that it is truly all up to you. You learn that this path holds pain as well. And sometimes hopelessness. On this road, you're truly on your own. The only lesson this path teaches is to rely upon yourself and in time to teach others to do so as well. As I am trying to do now.
    I told you at Fuddrucker's that regardless of what you choose that I will stand by you. I meant that then and I mean it now. You're my brother and my friend and that comes before any allegiance to any religion. If you want to be reinstated as a Witness, I'll respect and support that.
    I will say this. I don't agree with the shunning policy. In time, if you haven't already, I believe you will see it for what it is. Mom and I have had words over it after Aunt Linda passed and I tried to call Billy.
    After all this time now I feel like a barrier has been lifted. It has been so long, I just want us to be brothers again. I miss you dude.
    Not much else I can think to say, so I'll close this for now.
    Mike.

    And again, bringing this thread to the top....
    mike.

    I may not like what you have to say, but many men gave their lives for your right to say it.

  • ISP
    ISP

    Good News! Not the sort the WTS go on about!

    ISP

  • oscartheduck
    oscartheduck

    I just found a site today that might be perfect for him:

    http://members.aol.com/beyondjw/

    It's a really well written piece that helps to start the disillusionment with the society...tyhe whole website is very comforting and keeps it formost in mind that it's purpose is to help anyone who just left the organisation to find their feet.

    I really recommend it.

    ============================
    The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126 "As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible "

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