Jehovah's Kingdom

by chiliast 7 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • chiliast
    chiliast

    I'm announcing the public availability of my ongoing study...

    www.jehovahskingdom.org

    If you're not interested in the Bible or in eschatology, this isn't for you. I'm posting it here in the Bible Research section, in case it's of interest to anyone on this board. I got flamed posting this on an apparently atheist-only ex-JW board, so I'm trying to tread lightly here. If this subject is not for you, it's not for you; I'm fine with that. I'm not looking to make any money off of this, and I'm not looking for followers.

    This is a study in eschatology. It's a presentation of the premillennial/dispensational view of the Kingdom of God, in contrast to the amillennial, postmillennial and JW views. I'm a former JW, so the study contains a lot of material that might be of interest to other former JWs, covering subjects such as Israel's role in the kingdom, the identity of the 144,000 and the great crowd, etc.

    This study was initially put together for my own personal use. However, I do think it might also be of interest to a certain segment of Christian ex-JWs, and it is for them that I'm making it available on line. I hope some of you will find it helpful.

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Hi and welcome!

    I just had a quick look-looks like someone has been busy ;)

    Looks cool from the couple of pages I had a quick scan through.

    Will have a proper look soon-bed is calling!

    All the best,

    Stephen

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    If it's going to show the discrepancies between what the witlesses teach and what the Bible teaches, it will blow a hole in the witlesses' theology regardless of whether or not the Bible lies. They claim to have the monopoly on teaching the Bible accurately--and, if they do not even do that, they are a bad religion regardless.

  • bohm
    bohm

    Well, I think its valueable to know what the bible teach no matter if you believe it or not. I skimmed a couple of pages and I will certainly bookmark your page :-). Thanks for posting your research!

  • wobble
    wobble

    Welcome Chiliast,

    many thanks for posting the link,and thanks too for your hard work in producing the site.

    I will read it all later, it looks very informative.

    love

    Wobble

  • milola
    milola

    It only came up with title pages...no info. And some links to other religions websites.

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Hi,

    I don't know if you have read the following book, but it could provide helpful thoughts:

    "Revelation: Four Views, A Parallel Commentary", by Steve Grigg, ISBN 0-8407-2128-5

    He provides parallel commentries from Historicist, Preterist, Futurist and Spiritual interpretations for each part of Revelation, with Ch 20 covered by Premillennial, Amillennial and Postmillennial schools.

    Personally, I find it interesting how intolerant people are (including me) over the first few chapters of Scripture and also over its final chapters.

    Doug

  • chiliast
    chiliast

    Thank you for the welcome, guys. Much appreciated! I know this can be a sensitive subject, so I was a little wary of posting this, especially after having my butt kicked on another (atheist) board.

    Yes, at the very least, the study should provide a comprehensive view of the Kingdom, every bit as detailed as the one promoted by the WT, but in my opinion, one that's far more biblical. In my opinion, by being so theologically isolated, the WT has missed out on a lot of good scholarship that's gone on over the past 100 years or so. As a Witness, I had no idea that there were scholars who were up on these things. Lo and behold, though, as I've come to believe, anyway, the truth regarding the Kingdom has been out there all along; it just hasn't been marketed as slickly as the WT's view. And just to be clear, the view presented in my study is no secret, by any means. It's taught at a fair number of conservative seminaries in the U.S. (Dallas, Tyndale, etc.), and it's taught in thousands of churches, and has millions of adherents. So, I'm making no claim to any esoteric truth or unique personal revelation here.

    If you're seeing only the title page and the links page, you need to click on the links in the left-hand column (sidebar).

    No, I haven't read "Revelation: Four Views, A Parallel Commentary." Sounds interesting, though. I'll have to check it out. It would be helpful to have all the major views on Revelation available at a glance.

    The basic premise in my study is that the Bible means what it SAYS. The Bible SAYS, in hundreds of verses, especially in the Hebrew prophets, that Israel is the focal point of the messianic Kingdom. What I did was follow this through, interpreting (if you can call just letting the text say what it SAYS as interpreting at all) all passages as plainly as possible. Amazingly to me, using this "literalist" hermeneutic, an entire, coherent and finely detailed Plan emerges. This Plan is hard for some to swallow, especially if they have anti-Semitic tendencies, but the way I figure it, let the Bible speak for itself, in the plainest, most obvious language first, then, later, decide whether you need to spiritualize or allegorize any of it. Why not let God speak to us as simply and plainly as possible, first, before complicating it with our prejudices and opinions? Over the centuries, much of the historic Christian church has allegorized "Israel," making Israel now the church; the WT has followed that pattern of replacement theology by making "Israel" the Watchtower Society. But again, I say, let Israel be Israel, first, and let the chips fall where they may. See if the scenario presented in plain language makes good sense, before imposing on Scripture any other sense.

    If Scripture can be taken at face value, and accepted as is, then there's no need for any F&DS, or anyone else, to explain to us why the Bible doesn't mean what it says, and to interpret for us what the Bible "really" means. In the study, in the Biblical Hermeneutics section, I list 50 other reasons why this "literalist" grammatical/historical hermeneutic makes good sense, all of which I think are pretty compelling, but I'll give it a rest here for now.

    I hope this study will at least stir up some serious study by others on this subject. Eschatology has been largely ignored or avoided by the ex-JW community, maybe for the purpose of not causing unnecessary division? But, I'd like to see us be able to present to the JWs a coherent, alternative view of the Kingdom when they come knocking. Why not take their reason d'etre, the Kingdom, and turn it on their own heads? We have the theology; I'd like to see it put to good use when confronting the JWs.

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