NO Evidence of a "faithful slave" from the 1st Century till Russell...dumb Watchtower logic!

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  Witness 007

  Dumb logic. The 1996 yearbook {I think} says the "faithful slave" has been doing its job since the first Century till now 1,900 years...ummm what?

  Where, when? The Watchtower praises Martin Luther, William Tyndale {bible translator} and some others and some small extinct groups who rejected the Trinity...but on the whole there is NO evidence anywhere of a "Slave class" even in all of Christendom. {the Harlot}

  Also from 33 C.E TILL 1935 THERE WERE ONLY 144,000 ANOINTED....AND 8,000 STILL ALIVE IN 2009??????

  BULLCRAP!
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  teel

  Correction... 10.000 still alive, and rising.
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  Black Sheep

  1935 was cancelled. Praize da Laud four da neew lite.
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  oompa

  007....it was obviously a secret society all those years in order to escape persecution and death......

  and the math is just too stoopid to believe they could not have been collected by now

  but i would be interested in any real quotes that indicate what you mention in that yearbook...........oompa
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  wobble

  As has been pointed out before, if the FDS existed when Chuck Russell started his nonsense, why didn't he just go and join them instead of starting the goddam Watchtower thingie ?

  Love

  Wobble
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  JosephMalik

  But there is evidence that James and the congregation in Jerusalem was wrong and did bad things. Where? Here!

  Acts 21:18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

  How about that. James telling Paul that he was wrong and to prove it to them all that he also kept the Law. They (James and the elders present) as well as the thousands of believers there were still keeping the Law and wanted Paul to show that he was as well. This was something that was supposed to have been resolved some 14 years earlier but now they are showing Paul that it was not. And Paul was the one that had things wrong. Their letter was not intended for him to follow, oh no it was only for the Gentiles. No wonder they stay away from these verses.

  Joseph
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  PSacramento

  It seems that section from Acts implies that, while gentiles were not under the law, Paul because he was a jew, still was, regardless of the fact that he now was a Christian and had been preaching christianity to the non-jews for many years.

  It seems that, at least according to James, Paul was still under the old covenant because he was born a jew, while the gentiles because they were not born jews, were only under the New Covenant and as such, only had to abide by a few dietary restictions ( don't eat strangled meat and don't eat/drink blood) and to not commit idolatry or have sex with prostitutes (fornication).
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  JWoods

  Remember that the JWs themselves did not seem to know who the faithful and discrete slave was until years after their formation.

  It is absolutely ludicrous to claim that there has always been a watchtower-like FDS hidden under the covers of organized christianity down through the centuries from 33AD until now. It is completely non-historical and completely ridiculous to pretend such a thing.
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  PSacramento

  They are just trying to take away prestige from Chuck Russell !!

  Those WT pansies !!
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  JosephMalik

  It seems that, at least according to James, Paul was still under the old covenant because he was born a jew

  PSacramento,

  That is what James actually did and taught in Jerusalem. Remember this was the very issue that Paul had to confront some 14 years earlier. Men from Jerusalem caused Peter to withdraw from the Gentiles. And the congregation in Antioch appointed Paul and Barnabas to correct the matter at its source. Paul may have thought that the issue was settled then but James now made it clear to Paul that they were not including him in their little note. This matter of Law was after all discussed in nearly all of Paul's letters and it took many more years before James would write a letter to the Jews everywhere that the Law was not required for such a salvation. He showed its shortcomings. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. It took James a long time to get around to such thinking and his letter now corrected it among the Jews in Paul's territories. Jude his brother was much stronger in condemning those practicing Law and this is all the apology we get from the ones that were doing it for so long. Things were pretty bad and had escalated in to the point of apostasy before the letter known as Hebrews straightened them out. So much for the teaching that a Governing Body existed in Jerusalem. Corrections were being made everywhere in the faith the way Paul corrected Peter except in Jerusalem were such corrections were resisted for most of their lives. I wrote the Watchtower about all this in the 70's and they knew back then but are doing nothing about is because their false doctrines are their main means for controlling their followers.

  Joseph