Hebrew speaking Jews / Messianic Jews

by EndofMysteries 4 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  EndofMysteries

  While I was trying to get some answers yesterday about Hebrew translations, I emailed from a jewish website in which they had some hebrew writings and the torah on there. I was asking if a hebrew translation to english was done correctly, it was a scripture with the word hell, and he said it was done correctly, except that the word wasn't hell but pit, grave, etc, that those scriptures never teach of a hell, it was apostasized and jews know those scriptures to mean plain old death.

  See, so more then just JW's know hell isn't real or taught in the bible.

  What if God had distributed truths throughout civilizations and the world, and when they understand the truth, and combine knowledge, that it will dispel all the false teachings and bring out the truth.

  Example......in the bible Paul speaks of the third heaven. In the Qu'ran there is a scripture speaking about the 7th heaven or 7 levels of heaven, something to that extent. Both bible and Qu'ran don't give much of any further details on the matter. Low and behold, long lost books or claimed ones, thousands of years old, contain parts speaking about the 7 levels of heaven, and making all of them tie in together.

  Bottom line, there was at some point an understanding, and common knowledge, but it's been lost. It was either false teachings, in which the books speaking about it are false, twisted teaching, or lost knowledge which is on the verge of coming back.
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  Larsinger58

  Don't let Jewish scholarship fool you.

  They have their own timeline. Did you know that?

  They never lost track of the original chronology.

  But for some reason, they haven't decided Christians can be trusted. And why not? Look at the Holocaust.

  But the NWO is still seen as the secular agenda and so I guess they are choosing that. I think they know at some point Christ will arrive and they will oppose him again like they did when arrived the first time. They want their own rulership, they want God to just leave them alone.

  Sorry. God decides who will rule in the earth, "even the LOWLIEST of mankind."

  Anyway, 1996 was the end of the Jewish covenant, so....

  It's all about spiritual Israel now.

  LS
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  EndofMysteries

  Messianic jews are best way described jewish/christian hybird? Jewish laws and customs mixed with christianity.
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  cattails

  Oh, my. Larsinger58 you sound pretty strange and it would be good for you not to be accusing Jews of having some hidden agenda.

  Most Jews I know are either very secular or very religious and have respect for God and the Torah. You're insulting them when you say things like that.

  Besides a lot of what you post sounds to me like you've been taking LSD before writing it.
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  freydo

  "Many contemporary Jews worship Elohim in a manner based on the commandments and traditions of the Rabbis but have not repented of their hostility towards Elohim. This hostility is in the form of rejection of Elohim's Torah.
  
  The Rabbis, like the Pharisees before them, reject Elohim and his Torah by placing their own Torah above the written Torah of Mosheh. The Torah of Mosheh stipulates that no one is to add to or take away from any part of the Covenant commandments of Yahuwah:
  
  Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of Yahuwah your Elohim that I give you. (Devarim [Deuteronomy] 4:2)
  
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  See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it. (Devarim [Deuteronomy] 12:32)
  
  Yet, this is precisely what the Pharisees did and this is precisely what the Rabbis have been doing ever since then.
  
  The dispute which Yahusha' (aka Jesus) had with the Sanhedrin was over the "two Torahs." Yahusha' taught (as the true Messiah must do) that the Torah was eternal and that the Torah is the body of instructions which Elohim has given his people. But the Pharisees had a different set of laws, now known as the Oral Torah, which took priority over the written Torah of Mosheh. This is why Yahusha' rebuked the Pharisees:
  
  And why do you break the command of Elohim for the sake of your tradition? For Elohim said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to Elohim,' he is not to 'honor his father 'with it. Thus you nullify the word of Elohim for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Yeshayahu was right when he prophesied about you: "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'" (Matthew 15:3-9)
  
  The Oral Torah, which alleges to be the Torah of Mosheh which he passed down orally (this is impossible because the Oral Torah contradicts the written Torah frequently), is the body of man-made commandments which constitute the tradition of the Jews.
  
  The Oral Torah commands those who follow it to wash the hands in a particular way before eating. But the written Torah of Mosheh says no such thing. Thus, the command to wash hands has been added to Elohim's Word by men, and as such, is an invalid commandment. Moreover, the entire Talmud, which the Jews regard as sacred and which they teach came from Mosheh (but this is certainly not true), contradicts the written Word of Elohim. The Talmud is merely, as Yahusha plainly stated, the teachings and rules of men - it is not the body of requirements of Elohim. The Rabbis regard this Oral Torah as of greater weight than the written Torah of Mosheh. Thus, where there are contradictions between the two, the Word of Elohim is ignored and the man made Oral Torah is obeyed. (For a more detailed discussion of the two Torahs and the Rabbinical traditions and enactments which defy the true Word of Elohim, see Galatians 1:13-24)
  
  This is how the Jews are in rebellion against Elohim and how they are hostile toward Elohim. They obey the commandments of men in the Oral Torah and ignore the commandments of their Elohim - the written Torah! Thus, their zeal for Elohim is misguided and offends the Living One. Consequently, their continuing punishment in the form of slavery, hatred, persecution and conflict makes sense in the light of Elohim's Word - this is what Elohim promised would be the case until they repent and begin obeying His Covenant commandments which were written down by Mosheh.......
  
  The Roots of the Messianic Movement
  
  We have come to understand the prophetic word regarding the falling away of Yah's people and their subsequent end time repentance and regathering. It is with this backdrop that we can understand the Messianic Movement. The prophets describe an end days repentance of the descendants of Israel and their return to the Torah of Mosheh. This is exactly what we can now see in our generation. The Spirit of Elohim is directing those listening to his voice in repentance back to the ancient paths of obedience to Elohim's commandments. This is setting the stage for the appearance of Messiah and the regathering in full (of ALL the descendants of Jacob) back to the Land................ This repentance is the repentance spoken of by the prophets. When his people in the last days repent of their transgressions and rebellion against his Torah, and begin to seek Elohim with all their heart and mind, then he will fulfill his promise to bring Messiah and regather his people back to the promised inheritance of Land in Israel.................... "
  
  http://www.bibletruth.cc/Body_Messianic.htm http://www.yrm.org, eliyah.com