satan

by logic 7 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  logic

  I'm sure someone has asked this before, but did Jesus create Satan, and does 'created all

  things' include beings.
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  PSacramento

  All things were created BY God THROUGH Jesus, and yes, "Satan" was one of those things.
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  undercover

  Man created Satan...

  just as he created Jesus and God...
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  Inkie

  Jesus did not create Satan.

  God -- Jah -- is the creator. And he didn't create Satan either. Everything Jah created was good. He created the Cherub who made himself into Satan. The defect was his own. Ezekiel 28 There were two Arkangels sitting upon the Ark of the Covenant, one of them being Michael and the other being the Cherub (who is now Satan) before he made himself into Satan.

  Jah used his Son (Jesus) to create creation.
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  Larsinger58

  Jesus did not create Satan.

  God -- Jah -- is the creator. And he didn't create Satan either. Everything Jah created was good. He created the Cherub who made himself into Satan. The defect was his own. Ezekiel 28 There were two Arkangels sitting upon the Ark of the Covenant, one of them being Michael and the other being the Cherub (who is now Satan) before he made himself into Satan.

  Jah used his Son (Jesus) to create creation.

  Wow, how intuitive!! It is true. The two cherubs on the Ark of the Covenant do represent Michael and the angel that would become Satan. Satan is pictured as being cast out of holy Mount Zion which is the holy place represented by the ark of the covenant.

  But I beg to differ with you that Satan was an "archangel", that only being a title or description of Michael.

  But reflect on this. Angels as created if they did not disobey could have lived continuously into eternity. But God made them "mortal" a requirement when you also create free will and free moral angency. It is only after being tested and given a choice to worship God or not that you get eternal life. Satan made a choice. God accepted that choice. But he limited the time of free moral agency. Free moral agency ends when it is not needed, that is, when a creation makes that choice, there is no longer a need for free moral agency. Thus after being tested, eternal life is granted to those who choose God.

  As a bit of trivia, these two angels were very unique and very close. Satan was the most beautiful angel in heaven, quite appropriate to be the wife of Michael. Thus in Genesis 3v15 Satan is called "the woman." "The woman and her seed" is the concept of Satan and her angelic followers. So Jesus (Michael) actually got a divorce in Eden and a rivalry between Jesus and his seed and Satan, the woman and her seed, was set up. This culminated in the battle in heaven between Michael and Satan, Satan taking a third of the angels in heaven in rebellion.

  But, replacing Satan on Mount Zion is Christ new "bride", the church. So that symbolism of marriage is repeated with Christ's new Bride, one taken from the earth. These will have glory higher than any of the angels.

  It's interesting you recognized the symbolism in the sanctuary for what is in heaven and that Satan is the "palm tree" figure represented on the curtains. Thus Satan had an extremely high position and high station in heaven before his/her fall.

  LS
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  glenster

  I think the thing to see is that God is given as giving free will and you can
  choose to do good or bad with it, and the devil is the common example of choos-
  ing bad. If it seems unlikely someone would risk it all for selfishness, think
  of people who choose to do bad--blow themselves up to kill a bunch of innocents,
  join organized crime for material gain knowing they could be brought to task by
  the law or have a competing crime group kill them or even their own group turn
  on them for various possible reasons, etc.

  The mainstream view has the case for the identity of Jesus meant by the Bible.
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  cantleave

  Satan is a construct developed to explain the irrational and counter-intuitive behaviours exhibited by Humans which can be labelled as wicked or evil, or the destructive side of the natural world which often have a detrimental effect on individual humans or human social structures.
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  glenster

  That's what i meant--he's too jejune. His capacious licentiousness threatens,
  perforce to vitiate those prone to be the indigenous miscreants.