The Man of Lawlessness 2 Thessalonians 2 1-4

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  • hoggieman
    hoggieman

    Hello,

    I am curious on your thoughts on this idea that Jesus’s presence would not come until the man of lawlessness was revealed. According to JW doctrine wouldn’t this have needed to happen prior to 1914? I know the publications say this is Christendom’s clergy (even though this sounds a lot like FDS), but how is it resolved that JW’s are the only ones who think this one has been revealed. V.3 says “until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[ a ] is revealed”.

    2 Thessalonians 2 (NIV)

    The Man of Lawlessness

    1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[ a ] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    That is correct, the man of lawlessness has not been revealved yet, we are on the verge of it though, and may shock people when it does get revealed.

  • wannabe
    wannabe

    hoggieman!

    The big problem here is using this word presence at all! Reason being it cast a lot of confusion on the actual truth of the matter. Ever since the first Centrury the Christ has been seated in his glorified exalted position at his Fathers right hand. Agreed? So to use this word presnce is actually downright silly, to say the least. I checked many, many, different Bible Translations, and out of them all only found one that used this word presence. That was Youngs! Also the New World Translation uses it, I think for reasons if their own. In every`one I checked, aside from Youngs, the word COMING was used. Which when you think about it is the more sensible of the Two. Check out Psalms 110:1,2 and you will learn that the Christ was to remain seated at his Fathers right hand until his Father made his enemies as a footstool for his feet. He was then to receive the command, `Go subduing in the midst of your enenmies.`Then like a thief in the night, get ready to duck. Âcts 2:33 No invisible presence! Just a sudden shock for all mankind, when he does go suduing in the midst of his enemies. Hope I`ve been of some help to you! Wannabe

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Welcome hoggieman!

    Agreed, the passage makes total nonsense of the WT teaching that Jesus has returned!

    Check out the ESV Study Bible notes

    2 Thess. 2:1–2 The False Claim. The Thessalonians were alarmed by a false claim concerning the day of the Lord.

    2 Thess. 2:1 Paul discusses Christ's coming (Gk. parousia), his return in glory at the end of the age to save the elect and punish the wicked, and our being gathered together (Gk. episynagoge) to him (see Matt. 24:31 with the related verb episynago; cf. also 1 Thess. 4:16–17). The idea that the day of the Lord had already come (2 Thess. 2:2) may have made the Thessalonians fear that Jesus' coming and the gathering of his people to him were no longer legitimate or realistic expectations. « Less

    2 Thess. 2:1 Paul discusses Christ's coming (Gk. parousia), his return in glory at the end of the age to save the elect and punish the wicked, and our being gathered together (Gk. episynagoge) to him (see Matt. 24:31 with the related verb episynago; cf. also 1 Thess. 4:16–17). The idea that the day of the Lord had already come (2 Thess. 2:2) may have made the Thessalonians fear that More »

    2 Thess. 2:2 The Thessalonians were shaken into mindless panic and were alarmed or frightened by the false claim that the day of the Lord had already come. Though the source of the confusion was unknown to Paul, he suggests a number of possibilities: a spirit. An alleged prophetic word. a spoken word. A word of teaching or a sermon. a letter seeming to be from us. Paul seems to have suspected that a letter forged in his name was circulating (3:17). the day of the Lord. See notes on Amos 5:18–20; 1 Thess. 5:2–3. Although some believe that the Thessalonians were thinking in terms of a complex of events that would lead to the second coming, Paul seems to assume here, as elsewhere (1 Cor. 1:8; Phil. 1:10; 1 Thess. 5:1–4; 2 Thess. 1:7–10), that the arrival of the day of the Lord and the second coming occur at the same time, as aspects of a single event. has come. The Thessalonians have fallen victim to the implausible notion that the day of the Lord has come, presumably because some source they regard as authoritative has claimed this. There is no reason to think that the idea was part of a developed heresy. « Less

    2 Thess. 2:2 The Thessalonians were shaken into mindless panic and were alarmed or frightened by the false claim that the day of the Lord had already come. Though the source of the confusion was unknown to Paul, he suggests a number of possibilities: a spirit. An alleged prophetic word. a spoken word. A word of teaching or a sermon. a letter seeming to be from us. Paul seems to have More »

    2 Thess. 2:3–12 The False Claim Refuted. Paul insists that the Thessalonians can know that the day of the Lord has not come.

    2 Thess. 2:3 The day of the Lord will be preceded by two events, neither of which has been fulfilled. The first prerequisite is the rebellion. Although some have suggested that this refers to a Christian or Jewish apostasy, in view of vv. 9–12 a rebellion of humanity as a whole against God is probably in view. Just as humanity in Adam has rejected God and has been plunged into ever greater depths of sin as a result (Rom. 1:18–32), so it will move into all-out rebellion against God when the Antichrist appears (2 Thess. 2:4). the man of lawlessness is revealed. This second prerequisite, elsewhere called the “antichrist” (see 1 John 2:18, 22; 4:3; 2 John 7), will personify hostility to God and his revelation. He will disclose who he is, the rebel par excellence. He is the son of destruction, the one whose destiny is to be defeated and destroyed when Jesus returns (2 Thess. 2:8). « Less

    Blessings,

    Stephen

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