What would occur when Christ was Crowned King?

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  • wannabe
    wannabe

    What would occur when Christ was Crowned King?

    On Page 147 Paragraph 16 of the Publication, "You can live forever in Paradise on Earth," Book - published by the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society, we find this statement made by them: "Bible evidence shows that in the year 1914 C.E. God's time arrived for Christ to return and begin ruling. It was then that the cry was heard in Heaven: "Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ." Then they insert the scripture to back that claim up at Revelation 12:10- The question now, is, does Bible evidence really support what they claim; or have they once again made a serious blunder in interpreting the Bible's true message, and in actuality goes counter to what they are telling us here? Their biggest mistake to begin with, is using scripture out of context, for using the scripture they are quoting from, in its entirety, shows them to be in serious error. In a matter as imortant as this one is, the entire context must be read in order to arrive at the correct conclusion. Lets look at the full context now, shall we?

    1"A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. 4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. 5 Shegave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

    7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

    10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
    "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
    and the authority of his Christ.
    For the accuser of our brothers,
    who accuses them before our God day and night,
    has been hurled down.
    11They overcame him
    by the blood of the Lamb
    and by the word of their testimony;
    they did not love their lives so much
    as to shrink from death.
    12Therefore rejoice, you heavens
    and you who dwell in them!
    But woe to the earth and the sea,
    because the devil has gone down to you!
    He is filled with fury,
    because he knows that his time is short."

    13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. 15Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus." {Revelation 12:1-17 NIV}

    What do we see occuring in verse one? Jehovah's Heavenly Woman has only now, in 1914, come into labor pains. Crying out in her agony to give Birth, it tells us. It doesn't tell us that she's given Birth already, it tells us she's about to give Birth, and suffering great pains to do so. It tells us the dragon is waiting to devour her Child the moment it is Born. Then it tells us the Child is Born but snatched up to God. Next we're told the Woman flees into the Wilderness to a place prepared by God, and taken care of for 1260 days. Indicating divine protection, for a period of time.

    Not being able to touch Jehovah's Heavenly Woman, satan goes off in a great rage to attack the offspring of the Heavenly Woman who hold to the testimony of Jesus and obey God's Commandments, in fulfillment of Genesis 3:15. That speaks of the great hostlity that would exist between the seed of satan and the seed of the Woman. Now, satan wages War against these ones when he is thrown down to this earth. Great persecution will break out against the true followers of the Christ at this time, as Jesus said it would, because of his name. {Matthew 24:9}

    Jesus himself pointed to these labor pains of the Kingdom that would break out in the year 1914, when he said the following:

    8 "But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come." {Matthew 24:8 NLT} So, the sign Jesus gave, was a long period of distress, which would occur in similar fashion as a Pregnant Woman today, would experience labor pains, which is described in the following:

    The contractions occur in waves and could be 10 or 15 minutes apart at first, which is why many women don’t even realize that this is what they have been waiting for.

    Even in early labor, if you place your hand on your stomach you will feel that it is really tight and tense.

    The contractions occur and then you have a period of relief from the pain. In order to time the period between contractions, you start timing when the contraction starts and stop when another contraction begins. If you are truly in the early stages of labour, this time period will become shorter and shorter. You can also time the duration of the contraction to see how long it lasts. As the space between the contractions decrease, the duration of the contractions increase.

    Doctors will tell you that when you find your contractions lasting for one minute and occurring five minutes apart, then it is time for you to call your doctor and to go to the hospital

    . Your water may or may not have broken and you probably didn’t notice that the mucous plug has been released from the cervix. However these are questions that you doctor will ask. Leave yourself plenty of time to get to the hospital, but if you are a new mother you can probably delay this until the contractions become so intense that you find it difficult to breathe through them.

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    To compare this now, with the birth pangs of the Kingdom. First in time Jesus had told them; "You will hear of Wars and reports of Wars; see that you are not terrified; for these things must take place, but the end is not yet." These Wars and reports of Wars were the early stages, of this heavenly Womans Prehancy, and can, as is stated, last for many hours, as did World War One and World War Two. All but for some sporadic fighting in various Countries around out globe now, there has been a period of relief, but still labor pains occuring. Just as these contractions, occur in waves with short intervals between them, so too the sign he gave would also occur in waves, with short breaks in between, but still in evidence. Even now, there are Wars going on around our Globe, indictacing the labor pains are still very much in evidence. But troubles will mount and build, until we will be having very very critical times on this earth, almost impossible to deal with, as so described, the problems and difficulties will be so intense it will be difficult to even breathe through them. {2 Timothy 3:1-5}

    `29 ¨He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30 When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. Luke 21:29-31 NIV

    So, when those Trees were all in full bloom, when those labor pains had intensified to the point, the Baby was ready to be delivered, then God's Kingdom would be near. 1914, you could say, was early spring, when God's Heavenly Woman first began showing signs of pregnancy, but it would take the fulfillment of all her labor pains, every aspect of the sign Jesus gave to be in evidence, before even the Kingdom was near! Don't miss that point! Near! Is not here! Even now that sign is in evidence! Even now that Woman is still having those pains of labor. That Tree is not in full bloom as yet. Up to now we have only been through the first stage of those labor pains. The second stage will be much shorter and will end with the third stage, with the Male Child being delivered. Just as birth pangs upon a pregnant Woman.

    So, you see, the Governing Body, as they have so many times in the past, before, been in error, so too, now! The Christ did not become crowned King of God's Kingdom in 1914. Even now, he is not yet a Crowned King. The sign is not completed as yet. The Fig Tree is not in full bloom as yet. The Woman is still going through those labor pains; but when that Heavenly Woman finally delivers that Man-Child, then Jehovah will come forth; and "like a Woman giving Birth he will groan, pant, and gasp, all at the same time. " {Isaiah 42:14} Then Jehovah's King will take his Crown.

    To support their interpretation that the Christ was invisibly present in the year 1914, they tell us: "The Greek word here translated "Coming" is parousia and it means presence." So, as they only partially quote Revelation 12:10 they supply us with only half of the truth of this matter in this statement as well, because this Greek word means much more than they tell us. It also means, as you will see, "to have come." "the thought of the arrival [advent or coming] of a person to a place"...

    A touch of dishonesty going on here, I would say to support a false idea. As the following shows you.

    2 Peter 1:15-18 Commentary
    Search by Verse Word or Phrase: Whole Bible --- OT NT --- Law History Wisdom Major Prophets Minor Prophets ...
    ... "). Coming (3952) (parousia) is a combination of two Greek words para = with, alongside + ousia = ...
    ... in fact state that parousia is derived from pareimi (from para = near, with + eimi = to be) which ...
    ... ,to have come. Parousia then literally means a being beside or a presence. The word denotes ...
    ... presence with.
    Parousia conveys the thought of an arrival (advent or coming) of a person to a place ...http://www.preceptaustin.org/2_peter_115-18.htm • Wednesday, 17 February 2010, 1:58pm

    The Bible evidence doesn't support their interpretaion at all, but what information is supplied shows very clearly that the word Coming should be inserted in any scripture dealing with the eventual arrival of the Christ, as I will show now:

    29"Immediately after the distress of those days
    " 'the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

    30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."{Matthew 24:29-31 NIV}

    Matthew tells us that there will be great heavenly Phenomenom occuring at the coming of the Christ, so much so, all the Nations will mourn at his coming. Mark also reported on this same heavenly event. Note his words:

    24"But in those days, following that distress,
    " 'the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    25the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

    26"At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens."{Mark 13:24-28 NIV}

    The Apostle John too reported on this earth shaking event, that would send all mankiind into a frenzy:

    7"Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him,
    even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen."{Revelation 1:7 NIV}

    This doesn't mean that this World will literally see the Christ Coming, but means it will be known by their sense perception, because it will be an extraordinaryly remarkable event. So much so, all the Peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.

    Let the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses tell everyone that occured in 1914 too. What's that old Adage?

    "You can fool some of the People some of the time! But you can't fool all of the People all of the time." It's about time the Governing Body woke up to that fact. They just might wish to do some hurried packing; because I feel it safe to say, there'll be some unhappy People around when they finally learn they've been taken in by a bunch of Spiritual Hucksters, masquerading as the anointed Brothers of the Christ.Wannabe

    They will continue to mount until Matthew 24:7 is fulfilled and "Nation will rise against Nation and Kingdom against Kingdom." Ezekiels Prophecy will see fulfillment, when "the Sword of every man is turned against the Sword of his own Brother." Jeremiah's words, "when a Calamity goes forth from Nation to Nation and a great tempest is roused up from the remotest parts of the earth." The time when Jehovah puts himself "in judgement with all flesh;" the final part of the labor pains, and Jehovah's Kingdom is Born. His Christ takes his ruling authority. {Ezekiel 38:21} {Jeremiah 25:31-38}

    Did all of this occur in the year 1914? Silly Question, eh what?

    Especially in the light of the fact, that Jesus likened all these Labor pains, or the composite sign he gave to a Fig Tree, and told them the following about that Tree, or all the Trees.

    stages of labor, just as there are stages of pregnancy. In the early stage, the cervix is just starting to dilate. This first stage can last for many hours until the cervix is completely dilated. First time mothers usually have a longer first stage of labor than they will with subsequent births. The second stage is much shorter and ends with the third stage, which is the birth of the baby.

  • flipper
    flipper

    Absolutely nothing

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    Did you type that all out yourself? Did you show your mom?

  • wantingtruth
    wantingtruth

    Wannabe,

    you should learn first what the "teaching of Christ" is !

    then you will understand correctly !

    wantingtruth.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Wannabe, the Dub interpretation of Revelation is that it isn't chronological (except for where it is), so that context means nothing. Every new paragraph can be a completely different scene unrelated to what came before. We already know this is a wrong way to read the Bible or any piece of literature.

    As for your analysis of the topic, as usual it is too long for a board post; most won't read the whole thing. Have you considered starting your own blog?

  • Flowerpetal
    Flowerpetal

    I am sooo over interpretations of any kind. My stance is just to wait and see--isn't that all we can do anyway?

  • sir82
    sir82

    You should get the JWs to read that at their next district convention. It would probably count as a "bonus" trumpet blast.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Well let us see:

    4 John,

    To the seven churches in the province of Asia:

    Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits a before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

    Seems like he is ALREADY the King ie: Ruler of the kings of the earth.

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