Want to read about those nasty disgruntled APOSTATES attacking Scientology and JWs. Priceless!

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  • AndersonsInfo
    AndersonsInfo

    For people with lots of time on their hands, here's a priceless blog article written to defend Scientology against APOSTATES. And guess what religion the author points to with the same problem? Jehovah's Witnesses, of course. Here's the link and an excerpt. And don't forget to read the few hundred comments too. Sounds like some of our Apostates are training their Apostates the art of ridicule.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/7/843703/-Breaking-with-ScientologySea-Org,-disconnect-and-ex-Scientologists

    Defectors About Scientology - Breaking with Scientology

    by jsmado
    Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 09:10:41 PM PST

    Sea Org, disconnect and ex-Scientologists

    The vast majority of false allegations put forward, primarily on websites on the Internet, to attempt to stigmatize the Church of Scientology, have been systematically spread by a handful of disgruntled former Scientologists, Church of Scientology staff members or members of the Sea Organization (Sea Org) —apostates(1)— who commonly have "an axe to grind."

    Courts, scholars and objective and responsible government bodies routinely discard testimony by apostates of any religion because their credibility is always suspect, their anecdotal allegations inevitably motivated by personal interests, and their claims frequently fueled by greed to support outlandish and unwarranted demands for monetary compensation in legal actions from their former faiths.

    It is unfortunate that some government officials and media continue to rely on discredited apostates to justify discriminatory policies against the Church of Scientology and its members. Virtually all punitive government actions targeting Scientology in the past decades were based on unsubstantiated anecdotal testimony from disgruntled apostates. When the evidence was finally reviewed by objective government officials or judicial bodies, the Church emerged completely vindicated while the false allegations of apostates were exposed and discredited.

    Apostasy is a well-researched phenomenon in the field of religion and sociology, and leading scholars have devoted major studies to documenting the inherent unreliability of apostates' allegations against their former religions.

    Dr. Bryan Wilson, Reader Emeritus in Sociology at Oxford University from 1963 to 1993, was one of the world's pre-eminent scholars of new religions during his lifetime. He was a fellow of All Souls College at Oxford and the British Academy. He researched, published and lectured on religion and new religious movements around the world for 50 years and provided expert opinions on religion for the British House of Commons and the courts.

    Dr. Wilson noted that apostates of new religious movements generally crave self-justification by seeking to reconstruct their past to excuse their former affiliations, while blaming those who were formerly their closest associates. They must be regarded as inherently unreliable sources by government bodies, the judiciary and the media:

    "Neither the objective sociological researcher nor the court of law can readily regard the apostate as a creditable or reliable source of evidence. He must always be seen as one whose personal history predisposes him to bias with respect to both his previous religious commitment and affiliations, the suspicion must arise that he acts from a personal motivation to vindicate himself and to regain his self-esteem, by showing himself to have been first a victim but subsequently to have become a redeemed crusader. As various instances have indicated, he is likely to be suggestible and ready to enlarge or embellish his grievances to satisfy that species of journalist whose interest is more in sensational copy than in an objective statement of the truth."(2)

    Another acclaimed expert, Dr. Lonnie Kliever, longtime Professor of Religious Studies at Southern Methodist University, determined that the credibility of apostates is highly suspect. Dr. Kliever found that the overwhelming majority of individuals who exit from religions harbor no ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities. However, there is invariably a much smaller number of disaffected individuals—apostates—who are deeply committed to discrediting and undertaking actions designed to denigrate and destroy the religious communities that once claimed their loyalties. In Dr. Kliever's opinion, these apostates:

    "[P]resent a distorted view of the new religions to the public, the academy, and the courts by virtue of their ready availability and eagerness to testify against their former religious associations and activities. Such apostates always act out of a scenario that vindicates themselves by shifting responsibility for their actions to the religious group.... Such apostates can hardly be regarded as reliable informants by responsible journalists, scholars, or jurists."(3)

    Courts and administrative bodies also routinely dismiss the anecdotal testimony of apostates as inherently unreliable...

    [edited to remove interferring code] Lady Lee

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    Is anyone else having trouble seeing all of this thread?

  • besty
  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    "Courts and administrative bodies also routinely dismiss the anecdotal testimony of apostates as inherently unreliable..."

    Yet courts are more than happy to accept testimony from people who believe in talking snakes, that walk upright, who conned a naked woman into eating a magic apple that caused to want to wear clothes. The problem was fixed by a daddy god who had some ancient desert nomads torture his son to death for him.

    Makes perfect sense to me!

    Oh, and the courts are also willing to accept testimony from Scientology people who believe the following:

    Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.

    Xenu the alien rulerNow Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

    Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).

    These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed.

    The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a "thetan" in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper).

    After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called "implanting".

    When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.

    As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xemu is still alive today.

  • Nick!
    Nick!

    Is anyone else having trouble seeing all of this thread?

    Hi Jeff,

    I had the same problem and discovered that the reason is due to my browser.

    I normally use I.E. version 8 and using it, I can only see the upper part of Barb’s post.

    If you have the same browser, maybe it comes from there.

    What I did, is simply use Firefox version 3, just for this one post, and … it works!

    Of course there must be a reason, but I do not have the time to analyze it right now.

    Try it.

    Nick!

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    Hi Nick. Thanks! I can read about them nasty Scientologist apostates now!

  • chigaimasmaro
    chigaimasmaro

    Its interesting this article mentions the Amish, i think the Amish are the only cult like religion that at least allows the younger people to choose what they want to do , whether to stay amish or not after seeing what the world is like. Even though the cost is them being disconnected from family, at least they are giving the oppurtunity to choose. Scientology, JWs and Mormons, you arent even given that.

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