"The Last Days"....same fear-mongering harked during Renaissance

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  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    "The corruption of the church" has been exposed forever. But it never stops and there seems to be no one powerful enough to end it. We see throughout history where great cathedrals have been burned down....only to be restored and renovated a few years later. It never ends. Why not?

    People rise up against the evil corruptions and they get killed. Religions are so intertwined with governments and politics that they will not stop the lies and corruption because religion puts money in their pockets.

    "The Last Days" have been spoken of since the time of Jesus, as far as we know. And no matter how much people wanted to believe it, believe that all the corruption would come to an end...it did not and it has not.

    Do people of today think this corruption is something they have just discovered this century? Will the solutions for it be any different than any those changes that have been tried in the past?

    Here is an interesting person from the Renaissance era that preached "Last Days" only to raise himself in power and culminate in creating a more severe regime which attacked homosexuals and any enjoyment of life that people had. He blasted the church for the very same faults that we do today.

    My question is this: does history continually follow a well worn pattern which is doomed to be repeated over and over? Corruption in the churches, disasters such as war and plague feeding the fear and manipulation, resentment of the elite, and finally an even stricter regime growing out of the aftermath?

    from wiki:

    Girolamo Savonarola (21 September 1452 – 23 May 1498) was an Italian Dominican priest and leader of Florence from 1494 until his execution in 1498.

    He vehemently preached against the moral corruption of much of the clergy at the time, and his main opponent was Rodrigo Borgia, when he served as Pope Alexander VI from 1492 to 1503.

    ....in 1475 his poem De Ruina Ecclesiae (On the Downfall of the Church) displayed his contempt of the Roman Curia by terming it 'a false, proud archaic wench'.

    (In Florence, 1490)...he began to preach passionately about the Last Days, accompanied by testimony about his visions and prophetic announcements of direct communications with God and the saints. Such fiery preaching was not uncommon at the time, but a series of circumstances quickly brought Savonarola great success. The first disaster to give credibility to Savonarola’s apocalyptic message was the Medici family's weakening grip on power owing to the French-Italian wars. The flowering of expensive Renaissance art and culture paid for by wealthy Italian families now seemed to mock the growing misery in Italy, creating a backlash of resentment among the people. The second disaster was the appearance of syphilis (or the “French pox”). Finally, the year 1500 was approaching, which may have brought about a mood of millennialism. In minds of many, the Last Days were impending and Savonarola was the prophet of the day. [1]

    He preached that Christian life involved being good and practicing the virtues, rather than religious pomp and ceremony. He did not seek to make war on the Church of Rome. Rather, he wanted to correct the transgressions of worldly popes and secularized members of the Papal Curia.

    In 1497, he and his followers carried out the Bonfire of the Vanities. They sent boys from door to door collecting items associated with moral laxity: mirrors, cosmetics, lewd pictures, pagan books, immoral sculptures (which he wanted to be transformed into statues of the saints and modest depictions of biblical scenes), gaming tables, chess pieces, lutes and other musical instruments, fine dresses, women’s hats, and the works of immoral and ancient poets, and burnt them all in a large pile in the Piazza della Signoria of Florence. [ 2 ] Many fine Florentine Renaissance artworks were lost in Savonarola’s notorious bonfires ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savonarola

    Can you see reflections of modern day troubles in these past events? Has the fear-mongering of "Last Days" always been used in reference to precede a regime change? Could this be all it means?

    Again, I ask: does history continually follow a well worn pattern which is doomed to be repeated over and over? Corruption in the churches, disasters such as war and plague feeding the fear and manipulation, resentment of the elite, and finally an even stricter regime growing out of the aftermath?

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

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  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Cameo-d..

    I love ancient history..

    It would seem I can`t get enough..

    Yes history does repeat itself..

    So many civilizations refuse to learn from the past..

    Those who do not learn from mistakes..Are doomed to repeat them..

    ........................... ...OUTLAW

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Every "last days" theology always points to their own lifetime. C.T. Russell did it. J.F. Rutherford did it. Freddie Franz did it between 1966-1975.

    If someone claimed the end would come 2 centuries from now, they wouldn't draw any attention. So they always have to say "it's near". But it never really is.

  • Mall Cop
    Mall Cop

    I'm half way through the book a short history of the world by J.M.Roberts.

    I just finished reading the lessons of history by Will and Ariel Durant.

    Followed by when religion becomes evil by Charles Kimball.

    Cycles of war and conquest have always been the way of humanity. Religious traditions have always been susceptible to basic corruptions.

    And yes these things repeat themselves through history.

    Blueblades

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    Mall Cop: "Cycles of war and conquest have always been the way of humanity. Religious traditions have always been susceptible to basic corruptions."

    Can the cycle ever be totally broken? Or will it always just morph?

    What I see in our future is a repetition and morph and I deduce this by looking at the past. Even in ancient history, before the world was as crowded as it is today, people still felt threatened by "overpopulation" and a lack of food, water, and pastures to provide adequately for everyone in the clan. It seems almost absurd. It was a big wide world then. But the world was harsher because it was untamed in many areas, and striking out away from the clan entailed fear of the unknown. Any societial changes, even today, evoke that same base emotion.

    Societies have always culled their populations. Whether it is through wars over possessions, genocides and xenophobia, or even on the sly as people disappear in silence---the crowds are thinned by untimely deaths. Today there is an attempt to present this to us through "intellectual" appeal of growth management and saving-the-earth. Truthfully---can the earth be "saved" or has the pollution, toxin, misery factor exceeded the point of no return?

    Today we have the Earth Charter. The plan has gone by several names: Agenda 21, Smart Growth, Sustainability, etc. It calls for returning many developed areas back into wildlands. People fear a depopulation effort will be underway because of this. And religions seem to have played to this recurring cycle by propagating these stories of mass annhiliation by the "hand of god". The only paradise this will create will be a jungle of delapidation for hundreds of years. It would take more than a few hundred years to restore the balance that has been lost through mismanagement of natural resources. It took thousands of years to create what what been destroyed and used up in our one generation.

    Throughout history, man has always needed laws because people will not always do what is fair and right, instead opting for what is most personally advantageous to self. Add to that the special delight of some that feed their egos on taking advantage of the less smart and totally trusting. But even when laws were set in place, there had to be enforcers. Therefore, there had to be a super spook overseerer that would "get you" for misbehaving and wrong doing. So fear had to be created to keep conscience-less people in line. Somewhere along the way, the conscience-less people found a way to corrupt that idea by using that fear to their advantage to control and extort the fortunes of gentle people.

    The religions have already started their morph into interfaith groups, hiding under new umbrellas and later to announce new agendas. It will all be so gradual. Religions have always kept populations divided and arguing. Now, the "invisible hand of their god" will thin the herd. Then, once again people will become more controllable and compliant when they are worn down. When everything is eventually taken away from them (jobs, homes, family members, possessions), they will look to the charity of mother religion to be their provider. And those who are approved, will be provided for. Religions have already purchased their little Paradise compounds for the chosen few.

    And once again, the Adams and Eves will return to the walled gardens of the Smart City and allowed to live in the paradise of Mother as long as they are obedient.

    Will it all come full circle?

    Even the oldest of cultures teach this. The age of Kaliyuga. The cleansing and then a rebirth. Fresh Start.

    Are we at this crossroads now?

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

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  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    This woodcut is dated from 1545. Even then, lies and pomp within religion was exposed. Yet still, people followed---some true believers, some perhaps trapped by family and traditions. Still, religion did not meet it's end. Why?

    "The Pope Rides the Sow"

    "The Papal Ass on the Bagpipes"

    Commentary: Protestant broadsheet produced at the time of the opening of the Council of Trent, to lampoon and discredit the pope's attempt to call an ecumenical council.

    In the left panel, the pope rides a sow, holding a pile of excrement in his hand, from which stench rises as a puffy cloud.

    The Latin texts reads: "The pope holds a council in Germany". The German text states that the sow must allow itself to be ridden, and spurred by both sides; and that Germany wants a council, but all it gets is papal excrement.

    This image may refer to a riddle popular at that time, which said "Put dung in your hand, and when the sow smells it, it will chase it and not bite the rider". the message is clear: all Germany can expect from the council convening at Trent will be lies, deceit, and disappointment.

    In the right panel, the pope is portrayed as an ass (a filthy, dumb, and lustful animal). He is playing a bagpipe, a lowly instrument which was commonly understood to represent the vice of lust. The Latin text reads: "The pope, Doctor of Theology, and Master (or teacher) of the Faith".

    The German text says, in essence, that the pope has as much of a chance of teaching the truth as an ass has of playing the bagpipes correctly. Both images are an open assault on the papacy.

    Author of Commentary: Carlos Eire

    http://divdl.library.yale.edu/dl/Browse.aspx?qc=AdHoc&qs=855

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