Where are the " PRINCES "???

by MacHislopp 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello everyone,

    Most of you would know the answer,
    I do mean the most recent - answers -
    given to this question, based on texts
    such as Psalm 45:16 and Isaiah 32:1
    and taught in various publications
    of the WTBS., the latest printed in the
    year 2000.

    I'm also sure that some of you are not
    aware of an earlier - teaching - on the
    same subject which stated :

    'Where are those future "princes" now?
    Not in any imaginaryplace called limbo,
    neither in heaven. They are dead , in Sheol
    or hell, the place of unconsciousness and
    non-existence in death. Faithful Jacob expected
    to go there, and thought that his beloved
    son Joseph was there also."

    (from the book " The truth shall make
    you free" page 356, published in 1943
    by the WTBS Inc. , New York).

    And also , about the same subject,
    on page 358 , of the same book:

    " …Now the King has come to the
    temple and resurrected the sleeping saints
    and gathered his faithful remnant into
    the temple condition od unity with him,
    there is hope that these faithful men of old
    may be resurrected in the near future."

    And now this:

    "Some Scripture texts and
    prophetic dramas suggest that they maybe
    raised to life before the battle of Armaghed-
    don and may meet the faithful spiritual
    remnant and with them see the mighty
    battle and the glorious victory of which
    They prophesied."

    The point is that now :

    ° the princes are no longer the - faithful
    men of old - but today's elders …

    ° the generation of 1914 - which included
    many of the ' faithful remnant 'has
    been …eliminated, including the
    Creator's promise linked with it.

    So in a few years …" The truth that
    shall make you free "…is not - the
    TRUTH- anymore. In conclusion for
    those who have great difficulty in
    accepting the simple facts …this
    is another clear proof of another
    WTBS …deceptive teachings.

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    They twist the Scriptures until they break!

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • Undecided
    Undecided

    Who remembers sitting in Yankee Stadium and listening to the new light about the "princes or faithful men of old" in the late fifties or early sixties being explained by Fred Franz. Instead of being resurrected before Armageddon they were already in our midst. Some who were not listening thought David or Abraham was there. I heard one sister fainted when she heard that the princes were already in Yankee Stadium. Always changing the "Truth" to new "Truth".

    Ken P.

  • Preston
    Preston

    Isaiah 32 was my first TMS talk, and that's right, the princes refer to elders in the congregation. I was convinced of the the society's view until my third or fourth elder's visit.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    pg 44 of the "Title Deed" showing why beth sarim was built.

    ....that the governing power and authority will be invisible to men but that Kingdom of God will have visible represeatives on the earth who will have charge of the affairs of the nations under the supervision of the invisible ruler Christ; that among those who will thus be the faithful representatives and visible governors of the world will be David, who was once King over Isreal; and Gideon, and Barak, and Samson, and Jepthae, and Joseph, formerly the ruler of Egypt, and Samuel the prophet and other faithful men who were named with approval in the Bible at Hebrews the eleventh chapter. The condition herein is that the said WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY shall hold said title perpetually in trust for the use of any or all of the men above named as representatives of God's Kingdom on earth and that such men shall have possession and use of said property hereinabove described as they may deem for the best interest for the work in which they are engaged. This property has been acquired and the imporovements built thereon at the instance and under the direction of the said Joseph F. Rutherford and dedicated to Jehovah God and to his King Christ who is the rightful ruler of the earth for the express purpose of being used by those who are servants of Jehovah God. .........

    quoted from "SALVATION" book 1939
    [type under picture of beth sarim]
    At san Diego, California, there is a small piece of land, on which, in the year 1929, there was built a house, which is called and known as Beth-Sarim. The Hebrew words Beth Sarim mean "House of the Princes" and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth...it was thought well and pleasing to God that the aforementioned house be built as a testimony to the name of Jehovah and showing faith in his announced purposes. The house has served as a testimony to many persons throughout the earth, and while the unbelievers have mocked concerning it and spoken contemptuously of it, yet it stands there as a testimony to Jehovah's name;...Salvation, p. 311

    ....those faithful men of old may be expected back from the dead any day now. The Scriptures give good reason to believe that it shall be shortly before Armageddon breaks.
    In this expectation the house at San Diego, California, which house has been much publicized with malicious intent by the religious enemy, ...It is now held in trust for the occupancy of those princes on their return......(The new World), p104

    1975 YEARBOOK pg 194
    Briefly it may be said that Brother Rutherford had a severe case of pneumonia after his release from unjust imprisonment during 1918-1919 because of his faithfulness to Jehovah.....(too sick to stay in brooklyn)
    In time, a direct contribution was made for the purpose of constructing a house in San Diego for Brother Rutherford's use. It was not built at the expense of the Watch Tower Society. Concerning this property, the 1939 book Salvation stated: "At San Diego, California, there is a small piece of land, on which, in the year 1929, there was built a house, which is called and known as Beth-Sarim" [nuff said, don't need to include the rest of what the salvation book "proclaimed"]

    Here in this book "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" pg 89, Rutherford predicted Abraham Isaac and Jacom would return to earth in 1925, he states that they would not be going to heaven, but would be on earth..
    EARTHLY RULERS
    ..These can never be a part of the heavenly class; they had no heavenly hopes; but God has in store something good for them. They are to be resurrected as perfect men and constitute the PRINCES or rulers in the earth, according to his promise. (Psalm 45:16; Isaiah 32:1; Matthew 8:11) Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham,.....

    Here is Matt 8:11 NWT
    But I tell YOU that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens; whereas the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where [their] weeping and the gnash.....

    In their own bible, we see that they will be in heaven: as this is where the table is located, and they are seated at it.

    Just thought I'd add some history to these princes.
    Edited for some spelling

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