BLOODGUILT - Community Responsibility - A WARNING!

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  • Focus
    Focus

    TO THOSE WHO KNOW THE WATCHTOWER IS GUILTY OF DECEITFULNESS, LYING, FALSE PROPHESYING OR RUINING INNOCENT PEOPLE'S LIVES BUT STILL WANT TO STAY ON AS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES for whatever reason (fear of shunning, a desire to belong to something, the belief that there is nothing better out there, inertia, stupidity, an absurdly ludicrous hope that somehow it still is the one true religion, "just what if they are right"ism - or worse)

    Here, in the words of the Watchtower itself, is what will await you - COMMUNITY BLOODGUILT for the evils of the Cult:

    "The people must accept responsibility for the nation's acts .. Nations operate according to the principle of community responsibility. Rulers may start wars, but the people fight them. It is upon the people generally, young and old, male and female, that the enemy nation rains destruction, and not upon the wicked rulers. The nations in their wars sow death on the basis of community responsibility .. If the people either actively or passively support what is corrupt and immoral and murderous, do they not bear some responsibility therefore?" - 1952WTWR 06 01 344-5

    "For one thing, Pharaoh alone could not have oppressed the nation of Israel or defied Jehovah. That took a mighty organization; and so all who supported Pharaoh in his God-defying and oppressive measures became parties to his crimes.. The common people of Egypt, who, as Pharaoh's willing supporters, had a community responsibility, picture those of humankind today who willingly support Satan's visible organization." - 1965WTWR 06 15 366/369

    "Some have not willfully and deliberately done so, but share community responsibility for supporting the spilling of blood in wars." - 1966WTWR 09 15 550

    "Another way in which a person can unwittingly become bloodguilty is by reason of the principle of community responsibility. If one belongs to a religious organization that has shed blood in times past, or that may bless those who do shed innocent blood, then by reason of association he would share in its bloodguilt." - 1970AWAK 10 22 28

    "We personally may not desire to show disrespect for God's name, but, if we have any religious connection, the question for us to ask ourselves is: Do I belong to a religious denomination that disrespects and defames God's name in these and other ways? Suppose that any of us do. Well, then, we should know the course for us to take if we respect God's name. What? This, namely, to disengage ourselves from sharing in the community responsibility of such a religious denomination before the Bible God" - 1971WTWR 11 01 647

    "the clergy of Christendom .. the 'man of lawlessness' .. Of course, what one prominent member of this clerical 'man' does attaches blame to all the other members of the clergy class for their agreeing with what is done or not protesting against it or for acquiescing in it and remaining with the clergy organization. They all share a community responsibility and culpability for what a member of the clergy class does in a representative way as when speaking or acting for the whole group." - 1973GKTY 380-1

    "They want no share in the community responsibility for the sins and corruption of politics. They know that the ones who keep clean from such worldly defilements will be the ones whom God will preserve into His new order." - 1973WTWR 11 15 693

    "In similar fashion, the modern-day remnant of spiritual Israel had to do some reforming as to their way and thoughts as World War I ended on November 11, 1918, and they entered still alive on earth into the postwar period. Their exile from God's full favor in Babylon the Great's realm was about to end, and it became the proper time for they to think about their failings and shortcomings with regard to God's worship and service. They had come under a community responsibility because of the bloodshed and violence of World War I. They needed to search for Jehovah and to call upon His name in prayer .. During World War I of 1914-1918 B.C.E., some of the remnant of spiritual Israel accepted non-combatant service in the fighting armies, and thus they came under bloodguilt because of their sharing in community responsibility for the blood spilled in war. However, in 1939, the year in which World War II erupted, all the remnant of spiritual Israel and also those of the 'great crowd' of sheeplike companions declared themselved in favor of absolute neutrality toward all worldly conflicts, regardless of nationality. The publication of the article 'Neutrality' in the issue of November 1, 1939, of The Watchtower set forth their position." - 1975MSWD 114/187-8

    "Why Will Christendom Not Survive? .. bloodguilty Christendom of today, with her pagan customs, man-made traditions, and mixture of heathen philosophies with Bible teachings, will fare no better than her ancient prototype. She will not escape sharing in the fulfillment of Jehovah's prophecy: 'A great tempest itself will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth. And those slain by Jehovah will certainly come to be in that day from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be bewailed, neither will they be gathered up or be buried. As manure on the surface of the ground they will become.' (Jer. 25:32,33) No! Christendom will not survive the impending 'great tribulation.' (Matt. 24:1,2,21,22) Moreover, all the rest of the world empire of false religion will closely follow her into destruction!" - 1979WTWR 08 01 16

    "The Scriptures show that if we are part of any organization that is bloodguilty before God, we must sever our ties with it if we do not want to share in its sins. (Rev. 18;4,24: Mic. 4:3)" - 1983UWTG 155

    "According to the Bible, when we deliberately put someone's life unnecessarily in danger, we could become bloodguilty. (Compare 1 Chronicles 11:17-19.)" - 1985AWAK 06 22

    "bloodguilt .. Truly such bloodguilty ones are not worthy of living half their lives, as David said. (Ps 55:23)" - 1988INS1 0346-7

    "It is Satan's earthly organization, his earthly seed. Prominent therein is Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion.. What a load of bloodguiltiness! As long as Babylon the Great exists, the blood of her victims will cry out for justice.. By the fourth century C.E., that old Serpent, Satan the Devil, had brought forth his masterpiece of deception, the apostate religion of Christendom - a Babylonish system hidden under a 'Christian' veneer. It is the principal part of the seed of the serpent and has developed into a multitude of conflicting sects. Like unfaithful Judah of old, Christendom carries a heavy bloodguilt.. For thousands of years, Babylon the Great has been bloodguilty, and she is a gross fornicatrix.. But her major sins, 'massing together clear up to heaven', are her shocking acts of spiritual fornication - this latter in teaching falsehoods and allying herself with corrupt politicians." - 1988REVE 101-2/272

    "Yes, there is such a thing as joint, or community, bloodguilt.. Therefore, the adherents of false religion as well as the supporters and participants in human warfare are bloodguilty before God." - 1995WTWR 11 15 15

    So do not say we did not warn you, using the Watchtower's own MUCH-REPEATED words (upon which you still place reliance, and with which we agree, in this instance).

    You are heading straight for DESTRUCTION if you stick with the Organization when you suspect her to be false - NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU OTHERWISE LEAD YOUR LIFE...

    Think about it.

    --
    Focus
    (Fair Warnings Class)

    Edited in accordance with Lisa's findings

  • GinnyTosken
    GinnyTosken

    Good stuff, Focus.

    Ginny

  • LDH
    LDH

    Focus,

    You forgot to redden the 1966 WT reference to "community responsiblity."

    Lisa
    Just doing my part Class

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    Excellent Post.
    Hmmmmmm Who shall I send this to first?
    Hmmmmmmmm.

  • Focus
    Focus

    Thank you, Ginny and Lisa.

    The 1966 omission was not rooted in any belief on my part that there was enough blood on the altar already... I entrusted the automatic substitutions to MS-Word, which contains so many bugs that I shouldn't have. "my bad", as the illiterates say.

    Or maybe Gates is keeping his bets spread and is collaborating with the other Great Satan.

    --
    Focus
    (Anti-M$ Class)

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    Focus

    I didn't read all your post, because I'm too short of time right now.

    Here, in the words of the Watchtower itself, is what will await you - COMMUNITY BLOODGUILT for the evils of the Cult:

    "The people must accept responsibility for the nation's acts .. Nations operate according to the principle of community responsibility. Rulers may start wars, but the people fight them. It is upon the people generally, young and old, male and female, that the enemy nation rains destruction, and not upon the wicked rulers. The nations in their wars sow death on the basis of community responsibility .. If the people either actively or passively support what is corrupt and immoral and murderous, do they not bear some responsibility therefore?" - 1952WTWR 06 01 344-5

    I happen to believe that there ARE exceptions to what is said in those magazines, and I rather imagine that the WTS would agree with me. For example, a few years before I retired there arose an occasion in which the Labor Union that I was a member of decided to present an award to one of the members for having the courage to call the Postmaster an idiot to his face. I was the exception insofar as applauding when the plaque was presented to the employee that won the praise of all the other Union members. According to YOU though, the principle that you've so graciously dug up, as found in the Society's literature, I'm just as guilty as the rest (as if there is any guilt on the part of the WTS in the first place, ha!, because there's not) -- for the simple reason that I too paid Union dues as a member of the Union which officially presented the employee with such a plaque. So I disagree that such a principle can be applied across the board so as to condemn each and every person for the actions of others. One is not guilty of the transgression of a government simply for paying his taxes, is he? Of course not! I do agree though that if anyone, in addition to paying their taxes, support a government's war effort that they're as guilty as their government is for the blood that it spills.

    I came back to add this:
    Of note is the fact that because at the time that this experience happened at the Post Office I leaned toward thinking the same as YOU do now, and as a result withdrew my membership -- due to thinking at the time that I shared community responsibility on the basis of being a member of the Organization (the NALC) that officially committed such a deed. Afterwards, due to having given a great deal more thought to it, I became a member once again -- knowing that my abstaining from applause was sufficient to indicate that I didn't share in such nonsense.

    Yadirf

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    WOW! I finally got it all said in the above post, after I came back probably 4 other times to insert additional thoughts and to make what I said more clear. Maybe next time, I'll get some sleep first before I post something.

    Yadirf,
    going to bed class.

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • avengers
    avengers

    The Governing Body never makes mistakes. So if prophesies fail or other things go wrong then the community is responsible. Take 1975 for instance. People sold their houses, preached where it was needed the most. But when 1975 failed they said that the brothers should not have paid so much attention to a date Same goes for their affiliation with the wild beast. The ones that question this matter are apostates . So what's new?
    There's only one solution. Dissolve the WT and especially the GB. Gone forever. Freedom for the brothers and sisters.

  • LDH
    LDH

    bttt

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    Writing the Name of God

    http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

    " Jews do not casually write any Name of God. This practice does not come from the commandment not to take the Lord's Name in vain, as many suppose. In Jewish thought, that commandment refers solely to oath-taking, and is a prohibition against SWEARING by God's Name falsely or frivolously (the word normally translated as "in vain" literally means "for falsehood").

    Judaism does not prohibit writing the Name of God per se; it prohibits only erasing or defacing a Name of God. However, observant Jews avoid writing any Name of God casually because of the risk that the written Name might later be defaced, obliterated or destroyed accidentally or by one who does not know better.

    The commandment not to erase or deface the name of God comes from Deut. 12:3. In that passage, the people are commanded that when they take over the promised land, they should destroy all things related to the idolatrous religions of that region, and should utterly destroy the names of the local deities. Immediately afterwards, we are commanded not to do the same to our God. "

    Notice the SWEARING in G-d's name is not cussing but is in relationship to using it to validate a falsehood.
    When there is something said or written in the name of G-d that is not true, it'll prove itself to be false, this is taking the Lord's name in vain.

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