Reply to Judicial Committee question @thenoblelodge

by SweetBabyCheezits 9 Replies latest jw friends

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Me: Right now, I'm less than 48hrs away from a JC hearing in which I will likely be DF'd for apostasy.

  TNB: Do you feel the WTBTS has any power or hold on you, if not why attend a JC. You don't have to attend, unless of course you have information you want to point out to them.

  Valid question. I did consider a letter of disassociation but proceeding with a JC gives me an opportunity to expose certain truths to some friends who are still in. That is my only reason for not going the DA route.

  A little background first: I've been charged with apostasy for trying to reason with my parents on specific questions, ergo stating my beliefs. I love my parents but turnabout is fair play, right? They indoctrinated me for 18 years, one would expect the right to at least discuss another perspective that they may not have considered. Wrong. Dad handed over a couple of my emails to the BoE and pushed them to "investigate" me. He's a good man but blinded like the rest.

  That said, I've got five friends who are aware of the charges against me and if I go through with the JC and get DF'd, it may open their eyes to reality. Otherwise, I'd just DA. These friends have agreed to testify that when I was asked in a group setting why I showed signs of declining faith, I refused to share my specific doubts. I made it clear I didn't want to suffer the consequences of discussing it. They understood. So for them to see that I'm being DF'd for holding different views and just confiding in my parents.... it may offer a better perspective of what this organization is really about: control.
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  sabastious

  I talk to my mom a lot about my views on the WT. Luckily she doesn't feel compelled to "turn me in."

  Good luck on your JC, I fear it wont be pretty.

  -Sab
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  wannabefree

  Doesn't it make you sick? "Exposing certain truths" caused your own father to turn you in as an apostate. Hopefully you make some inroads with friends ... don't get your hopes up ... but planting seeds is the first step.

  I wish you well.
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  NiceDream

  I wish you all the best. Maybe your friends will think it's stupid to get DF'd for asking questions...that sounds like a cult to me.
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  ssn587

  If you are not living at home, than I would make it a point to NEVER speak with your father again, he showed who he is loyal too and its a poublishing company cult, and not god. He is disloyal to you and I wiould let him know about it and then cut him out of your life, but then again I am a bit extreme. But family ties should never be broken especially by the family.

  Don't let them ram rod you at the JC either. They will want to discuss only what they want too and then expect you to comply with their wishes. Do as a friend of ours did, when they insisted on not letting him get his points across he told them to get the effing hell out of his house and don't come back send a letter announce anything about him or he will sue their ass, and if that doesn't work well then there are other methods.

  He hasn't had a visit from any of them for over 5 years now.
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  thenoblelodge

  SBC - Thanks for the reply. Hopefully it may cause your friends to question the WT and it's policy on DF people just because they hold a different view from what they teach.

  Shame about your dad grassing you up. Maybe one day he too will wake up and see the truth about the truth.....maybe. I really, really dislike the WT and what it does to people, don't let them destroy you.

  All the best for the JC, let us know how you get on. Hopefully when it's all over you can find some peace and really start to live your life.
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  robson

  well, that is way up to where I'll ever get with my family so there is no such thing as turning me into the elders.

  Last night I was talking to my Dad about all we know from the WBTS he is been in the org since 1980's he started when he was in his 20's and still he is inside going to meetings and going to field service he is a great preacher many people has agreed with my Dad about what the bible teaches is the only ultimate truth he gets great responses from the public. He knows not all of the brothers are real brothers and many of them don't really care about the congregation we go to, they go there for different reasons. Basically, he is aware about what is going on around and that doesn't bother him what does bothers him is the fact that as jesus said you are my disciples if you have love among yourselves but he doesn't sees that genuine love is hard to get.

  Well a lesson I learned from old bros at the hall is that when they came to the org whatever it was that got them interested in joining the cong is still keeping them from leaving the org. So we are false prophets yes you can call us anything you want but there is no where else where I come and render sacred service to God with a good conscience. Anything I have to go through is worth it. Yes we prophecy the end many times and a lot of what we know but they didn't pay attention to the scriptures while doing so. In conclusion, Jehovah GOd promises everlasting life if we follow Jesus example and nothing else will get me away from the org. Although it has committed acts of any sort I follow God not men.

  With this attitude they will remain there forever and that can be our live. Just decide what you believe.
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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Thanks for the encouragement all.

  @ssn587, I should mention I'm in my 30s and married with children. The part about me being indoctrinated by my parents for 18 years was regarding my childhood. I'm not much on shunning or being shunned but I have a hard time holding it against my dad. I blame the organizational policies. But, yeah, it makes me bitter nonetheless. The stigma that goes with the JW view of "apostate" exists for a legitimate reason, doesn't it?

  @robson, I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused as to what you're trying to convey. Are you stating your Dad's position or your position?
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  LostGeneration

  Valid question. I did consider a letter of disassociation but proceeding with a JC gives me an opportunity to expose certain truths to some friends who are still in. That is my only reason for not going the DA route.

  You can accomplish the same with a letter, especially if it reaches those you want to reach before the announcement. Some may disagree (playing by their rules), but a carefully worded letter that does not ramble on about all of your "apostate" views may reach the mind of some. Simply state your primary objection, and why you must be honest to yourself or the bible, and stand up against what you feel is the unjust authority of the WTBTS/Elders.

  It saves you the headache of dealing with a kangaroo court where the outcome is predetermined before you set foot in the door.
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  SweetBabyCheezits

  LG: It saves you the headache of dealing with a kangaroo court where the outcome is predetermined before you set foot in the door.

  That's true, LostGen, and I will be sending letters to certain old friends regardless of how this turns out. But there's an even better opportunity if I make a personal sacrifice and go ahead with the hearing. I explained it in my original post:

  That said, I've got five friends who are aware of the charges against me and if I go through with the JC and get DF'd, it may open their eyes to reality. Otherwise, I'd just DA. These friends have agreed to testify that when I was asked in a group setting why I showed signs of declining faith, I refused to share my specific doubts. I made it clear I didn't want to suffer the consequences of discussing it. They understood. So for them to see that I'm being DF'd for holding different views and just confiding in my parents.... it may offer a better perspective of what this organization is really about: control.

  So, again, if I just bail on the meeting, my friends won't personally see the injustice committed. To me that will be a much greater impact than a letter alone.