The fate of the witnesses of Yahweh

by Doug Mason 9 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Who are the Witnesses at Isaiah 43:10-12?

    “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD,
    “and my servant whom I have chosen,
    so that you may know and believe me
    and understand that I am he.

    "Before me no god was formed,
    nor will there be one after me.
    I, even I, am the LORD,
    and apart from me there is no savior.

    "I have revealed and saved and proclaimed
    —I, and not some foreign god among you.
    You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “that I am God."
    (Isaiah 43:10-12, NIV)

    According to this, the purpose of being a witness of YHWH is to know, believe and understand that he is God. When a person is witnessing YHWH, they are seeing him, and they perceive that he is unique, and their only saviour. They have witnessed for themselves that he is indeed God.

    These verses are from a poem that commences at Isaiah 40:1. It was composed at the time of Judah’s subjection to the might of the neo-Babylonian empire. In all probably it was written by scribes living in exile, since Nebuchadnezzar focused on removing Judah’s elite, the power brokers.

    As the context from the beginning of the poem shows, these words were part of YHWH’s repeated plea to the peoples he had formed:

    “But now, this is what the LORD says—
    he who created you, O Jacob,
    he who formed you, O Israel:
    ‘Fear not, for I have redeemed you;
    I have summoned you by name; you are mine.’ ” (Isaiah 43:1, NIV)

    At Isaiah 43:14-20, YHWH reminds them of his mercy towards them, of the manner in which he cared for them. He had done this so that his people would praise him. Yet these people who had witnessed for themselves that he is God, turned their backs on him, and for that reason they were suffering at the hands of the Babylonians. Despite witnessing YHWH, they offended him. For this reason he will destroy his witnesses, Jacob and Israel, as the direct context shows.

    “Yet you have not called upon me, O Jacob,
    you have not wearied yourselves for me, O Israel.
    You have not brought me sheep for burnt offerings,
    nor honored me with your sacrifices.
    I have not burdened you with grain offerings
    nor wearied you with demands for incense.

    “You have not bought any fragrant calamus for me,
    or lavished on me the fat of your sacrifices.
    But you have burdened me with your sins
    and wearied me with your offenses.

    “I, even I, am he who blots out
    your transgressions, for my own sake,
    and remembers your sins no more.

    Review the past for me,
    let us argue the matter together;
    state the case for your innocence.

    “Your first father sinned;
    your spokesmen rebelled against me.
    So I will disgrace the dignitaries of your temple,
    and I will consign Jacob to destruction
    and Israel to scorn.”
    (Isaiah 43:22-28, NIV)

  • brotherdan
    brotherdan

    Doh!!!! They forgot to read the context before interpreting that scripture! Sadly...it's just par for the course with them.

  • Ding
    Ding

    Fascinating.

  • ProdigalSon
    ProdigalSon

    I just realized Jehovah can be both bi-polar and schizophrenic in the same chapter....

    ...great find Doug.

    ~PS

  • 3Mozzies
    3Mozzies
    Despite witnessing YHWH, they offended him. For this reason he will destroy his witnesses...

    Yes, the JWs are the witnesses that He will destroy! The JWs have really offended Him by worshipping the Governing Body in NY! (among other disgusting things)

    Well done Doug :)

    3Mozzies

  • Crisis of Conscience
    Crisis of Conscience

    Context............It's all about the context. But if the FDS says it, it doesn't matter what the rest of the verse, chapter, book, or Bible says. Holy spirit at it's best!!

    Very interesting find. Thanks Doug!

    CoC

  • teel
    teel

    OMG lol thank you, you gave me a good topic of discussion when a JW will stop me next How did we all miss that context there? They identify themselves with the ones Jehovah will destroy...

  • notverylikely
    notverylikely

    I highly recommend God: A Biography by Jack Miles.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Hereis the thing, Isiah was trying to convey that by SAYINg that one is a witness for YHWH, one has not put a certain number of "obligations" on their plate.

    God forces NO ONE to be a witness for him, the people ( in this case the Hebrews) accepted being God's witness and all that went with it and failed miserably at it.

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    “Yet you have not called upon me, O Jacob,
    you have not wearied yourselves for me, O Israel.
    You have not brought me sheep for burnt offerings,
    nor honored me with your sacrifices.
    I have not burdened you with grain offerings
    nor wearied you with demands for incense.

    “You have not bought any fragrant calamus for me,
    or lavished on me the fat of your sacrifices.
    But you have burdened me with your sins
    and wearied me with your offenses."

    That is mentioned is Isiah noting that the people have asked everything of God and done nothing in return, ie: not followed any of his simple "rules".

    Basically God is saying this:

    You wanted to be my people and I warned you what that meant, you were OK with it and I strengthend you in your times of need, and what did you do?

    All the was wrong to do, all that you KNEW was wrong and what liitle I asked of you, you didn't do and just bitch and complained like the whiney little bitches you are, well, know it's miller time for you !!

    Well, in my words anyways, LOL !

  • ablebodiedman
    ablebodiedman

    Its the fate of true Christianity -- whoever that is.

    2nd Thessalonians 2

    3 Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god. 5 Do YOU not remember that, while I was yet with YOU , I used to tell YOU these things?

    so that he sits down in the temple of The God

    Paul is talkng about the time immediately before Jesus Christ returns.

    So what temple is the temple of The God?

    The true Christian Temple.

    The temple that Jesus Christ inaugurated with his own blood.

    Now consider this end time scripture:

    Isaiah 66:5-6

    5 Hear the word of Jehovah, YOU men who are trembling at his word: “Y OUR brothers that are hating YOU , that are excluding YOU by reason of my name, said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified!’ He must also appear with rejoicing on YOUR part, and they are the ones that will be put to shame.” 6 There is a sound of uproar out of the city, a sound out of the temple! It is the sound of Jehovah repaying what is deserved to his enemies.

    Are there any end time Christian religions who exclude (disfellowship) righteous men through the use of God's actual name?

    (see page 154 "Organized to do Jehovah's will" book)

    [name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses

    So who is going to be put to shame?

    The people who are called Jehovah's Witnesses?

    or

    The people who are told that they are not Jehovah's Witnesses?

    a sound out of the temple! <---- the Christian Temple.

    In Christ

    abe

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