How Evangelical Fundamentalists and Witnesses are joined at the Hip

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  • designs
    designs

    Both groups teach and preach an Us vs Them mentality. The Saved and Unsaved world, and Those In The Truth and Those Not In The Truth.

    Those not in each groups favored circle are considered Heretics or Apostates. Families are torn apart over arbitrary Church Rules.

    Both groups teach and unsavory cruel concept of a Supreme Being who has it in for humanity by sending them to Hell Fire or the Second Death at Armageddon. And for what lofty reason, that humans don't Worship in some XYZ manner espoused by their respective Church Leaders.

    The most egregious practice: Both groups actively participate in and promote the most vile forms of abuse on minors. Teaching minors by means of Reading Lessons and Graphic Photos and Cartoons, Films, Songs etc. the horrors of what a Supreme Being will do to humans and then expecting these minors to navigate the opposing messages that this Supreme Being loves them yet will punish them or the 'others' for infractions determined by their respective Churches.

    The abriviated list- feel free to add to it.

    Grandpa designs who got his kids out of the Watchtower

  • cofty
    cofty

    Having been both I totally agree - jws and evangelicals differ more in style than substance

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    I get the same treatment from form some of my fundy christian relatives as from my jw family, they don't want anything to do w me, and xjw/xchristian. But, it's not all of my fundy relatives, just some of them.

    S

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    As I pointed out to an elder, the fundamentalist churches have a very dogmatic worldview and after leaving them behind I did not experience the crushing legalism again until I started attending meetings with my wife in recent years.

  • Joey Jo-Jo
    Joey Jo-Jo

    Hi designs,

    What was the problem, doctrine, human authority or both?

    From my understanding a religion has to be free from human authority and to be free to disagree.

    Joey

  • designs
    designs

    Joey- Try an experiment sometime at both a Evangelical Church and a KH meeting- raise your hand and ask a serious challenge to one of their teachings.

    Neither group promotes or allows freedom of belief if you are to be a member.

  • designs
    designs

    Another wonderful thing Evangelicals and Witness Leaders do is to part you from your hard earned money.

    Trinitarian Evangelical ponzi scheme by the Reeves Family stole $120 Million under what the SEC calls 'Affinity Fraud'. A group with common interests is pryed upon to give for a worthy cause but the money never fully goes for the intended purpose or gets returned if a return on investment was promised. They will face many years in prison but the money is gone.

  • Ludwig
    Ludwig

    What I find amusing is how they try to evade being labeled fundamentalists by stipulating a very narrow definition of what it means to be a Fundamentalist. I know of at least two Watchtower articles that try to prove that Witnesses are not fundamentalists. One was in a Watchtower dated in the 90's, but I don't have it right off hand. The second one is very recent, in the August 2010 Watchtower on page 7. Here's what they said:

    "Fundamentalism is a broad movement within Protestantism in the United States," Says the The World Encyclopedia. Some Fundamentalist organizations "have adopted social and political positions based on a literal use of Biblical texts." That definition does not fit Jehovah's Witnesses. As mentioned, they abstain from politics and do not impose their views on others by political or any other means. Rather, they converse with people, usually one-on-one, using reason and convincing evidence, in imitation of the early Christians.–Acts 19:8.

    By using a definition that emphasizes political activity, they try to exclude themselves from being labeled. They exclude all the other attributes that would definitely include them, such as the literal interpretation of scripture, a suspicion of outsiders, a sense of alienation from secular culture, a distrust of educational institutions, and the belief in the inerrancy of scripture. If they bothered to read more authoritative sources on Fundamentalism, besides encyclopedias used by elementary students, they would have a harder time trying to exclude themselves.

    As if this self-serving definition weren't silly enough, they included the last sentence. Sure, they abstain from politics, but their opinions are less neutral as their willing to admit. They're definitely against gay marriage and that opinion places them closer to cultural conservatives. They disapprove of warfare and that seems like a liberal position. Of course they don't impose their views on others, just their own children. Instead, they use propaganda and flimsy reasoning on people not in the position to adequately evaluate Witness dogma. They certainly can't evaluate the historical claim that early Christians went door-to-door, handing out scrolls.

    They offer this silly definition because Witnesses don't like all the negative connotations that come with the Fundamentalist label. Perhaps if they stopped acting like Fundamentalists, people will stop calling them Fundamentalists.

    (By the way, if anyone has access to that older Watchtower discussion on Fundamentalism and would like to post it, that would be great. Like I said before, that Watchtower is from the early '90s.)

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    My Fundamentalist friends are not victims of Information Control. They're allowed to read whatever they'd like. Nor do their churches have "Judicial Committess" or pastors who stick their noses into personal matters.

    However, they do rigidly adhere to religious dogma.

    They helped me escape from WT, by demonstrating to me that their faith was just as real as the faith of the JWs. For that, I'm grateful.

  • steve2
    steve2

    have someone blindfold you, then listen in person to the respective messages of JWs and evangelicals, but have giveaway words purposely left out (e.g., "Jehovah God", "the Lord Jesus Christ" "born again" "144,000", etc.)

    You'd be hard pressed to spot the difference between the two in both content and style. Everything is black and white with precious little room for discussion. They speak idiotic, inflexible messages with 100% "sincere" conviction.

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