Should it be BC or BCE ?

by james_woods 7 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    An interesting topic came up on my Ferrari board today: BC or BCE - which is right (or more right)?

    Interesting debate running in World Archeology magazine the last 2 issues - all over
    the use of BC/AD vs. BCE/CE. WE's editorial stance is to ALWAYS use BC/AD when
    talking about dates - and they're pretty adamant about it.

    Their reasoning? Whether we like it or not, it's two thousand ten years after a
    guy named Jesus was born, and that's what the modern calendar is based upon.

    Furthermore, they argue, using the term "Common Era" (CE) and "Before Common Era"
    (BCE) is insulting to all the non-Christian people on earth who are "perfectly common"
    using whatever year THEIR country wants to use (notably, China, Tibet, and Israel).
    They feel it's insulting to these people, whose own "common era" might be the year
    4707 (China) or 5771 (Hebrew).

    I replied this to it:

    I differ with the position RE Jesus Birth and use of BC versus BCE.

    I think that practically every realistic religious scholar now places the actual birth of Christ somewhere between 2 BCE and 6 BCE - which makes the whole BC number system off from the start. Going all the way back to James Ussher who personally tried to name the day and even the hour of the creation of Adam...

    Which makes Common Era more logically coherent.

  • undercover
    undercover

    Slow news day in the Ferrari world...

    I thought everyone but the WTS used CE. The WTS always argued for BCE and I after I left I figured that they did it just to different. Just like using Hebrew/Greek Scriptures as opposed to Old/New Testament and other little things that made them stand out.

    I've never taken the time to really look into it.

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    Slow news day in the Ferrari world...

    No Grand Prix race this week - but Fernando Alonso won last week and Massa was third...

    Nobody but me posted back on it (we have a politics and religion section for subscribed members).

    I figured most secular sources would prefer BCE/CE - not only the WTBTS. The celebrated Watchtower Scholars did not make up BCE all on their own, did they?

  • undercover
    undercover
    The celebrated Watchtower Scholars did not make up BCE all on their own, did they?

    hahaha...

    I'll have to expand my horizons on the subject.

    I thought the WTS hated using AD because it was a Latin term basically started by Christendom. And by golly the WTS can't copy anything Catholics or other 'false' religions do. They can't even bring themselves to use the word 'bulletin' for their information board because of the origin of that word fer Chrissakes...

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    "BCE" and "CE" are technically more correct, but BC and AD are in common usage. Hence I continue using BC and AD. It also helps differentiate the witlesses from worldly people, and so I prefer using the worldly term.

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    I'm listening to Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman and it uses BCE and CE terminology.

  • Caminante
    Caminante

    BCE and CE are also religion-independent terms for expressing dates. That's the main reason WTS publications use them, to not discriminate against non-Christian religions, i.e. against people professing not to be Christians.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Well, here is the best post from a couple pages of this on Ferrari Chat -

    The problem with BCE/CE is that hundreds of years of legal documents wouldn't comply unless BC/AD was grandfathered.

    So even if a switch was legally made to BCE/CE, you'd still have to have BC/AD being legal forever into the future for things like property titles, IP rights, etc.

    Well, having *two* date conventions is silly.

    Might as well stick with BC/AD. That's the only *legal* system, anyway.

    I think this makes a lot of practical sense. Incidentally, I posted this in reply with some ex-JW content: (someone there had also pointed out the difficulty of the "zero" transition year from BC to AD) -

    It is convincing. I will have to say that it is enough to make me change my mind on this.

    BTW, I put this topic up on a board I go to which supports people leaving the Jehovah's Witnesses cult. One poster there said their Watchtower magazine always uses CE/BCE simply because the Latin AD (Anno Domini) seemed Catholic and they hate anything Roman Catholic.

    Most posters there thought the BC/AD was at least as potentially offensive to non-christian cultures as the BCE/CE nomenclature.

    The witnesses, famous for many failed "end of the world" prophetic dates, also had forgotten about the "zero year" and had to rejigger their dating system when they realized it about the turn of the 19-20th centuries.

    One little-known fact about the Witnesses (a rather silly one) came up: In the 1920s, they actually tried to create their own calendar. Seems they thought our common names for the days of the week were pagan: Sun's day, Woden's day, Saturn's day, Moon's day, and so on...so they came up with one based on "Bible Names".

    It was actually printed for about a year before being literally laughed out of existence.

    So, I have learned something from this: It doesn't matter to me any more which form is used, but BC/AD has seniority and legality.

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