how does nubers 13v33 prove that they were the same nephilim talked about in gen 6v3

by thumperspooner 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • thumperspooner
    thumperspooner

    can any one enlighten me on this what seems an additional scripture to support the nephlim exsistance after the flood since we know that this was a bad report brought back by the 12 spies does it not also mean that they may have not been the actual nephilm of noahs day but a stronger wilder race of caananites?

    i need all your input on this as i have started to question a few things and i want to make sure i get my facts right before i engage in disscussions with elders

  • thumperspooner
    thumperspooner

    excuse the typos its late lol

  • 3Mozzies
    3Mozzies

    Gen 6:4

    Nephilim. The meaning of this term is uncertain. It occurs elsewhere in the OT only in Num. 13:33, where it denotes a group living in Canaan. If both passages refer to the same people, then the Israelite spies (Num. 13:33) are expressing their fears of the Canaanites by likening them to the ancient men of renown. Although in Hebrew Nepilim means “fallen ones,” the earliest Greek translators rendered it gigantes, “giants.” This idea may have been mistakenly deduced from Num. 13:33; one must be cautious about reading it back into the present passage. The Nephilim were mighty men or warriors and, as such, may well have contributed to the violence that filled the earth (see Gen. 6:13).

    Num 13:33

    Anakites are descended from the Nephilim (Gen. 6:4) and therefore must be quite invincible. (Given the exaggerated tone of the spies' account, their reference to Nephilim is most likely an expression of their fear and an excuse for their disobedience, rather than an accurate statement indicating that the Nephilim were still living after the flood.)

    [From my ESV Study Bible footnotes]

    3Mozzies

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  • thumperspooner
    thumperspooner

    thank you every one for your two points very clear and helpful. why dont i get this same help from elders, who presume iam attacking the bible when really i just want answers to questions raised. in some manner some people who have brought up this particular refference to the nephilim in numbers with out further back ground info can start to infulence others into thinking the bible is or the new world translation is inaccurate = cover up.

    i know of a few flip flops that the organization have experienced but in all the evidence is there enough that finially concludes the fate of the organization and the remaining members from dwindling.

    iam, believe me, very keen to find the truth and find out the truth if that makes sence.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    As I mentioned in the other thread, the existence of Nephilim after the Flood is anticipated by Genesis 6:4: "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown". The words 'chry-kn "and even afterwards" intrude into the text as a paranthetical gloss tacked on to harmonize the present text with later references to the Nephilim after the Flood (see also 1 Baruch 3:26-27).

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