Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-28-10 WT Study (ACTIVE LEADER)

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  • blondie
    blondie

    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-28-10 WT Study (SEPTEMBER 15, 2010, pages 16-20)(ACTIVE LEADER)

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    O UR A CTIVE L EADER T ODAY

    “He went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.”—REV. 6:2.

    OPENING COMMENTS

    Sorry, this is so late; better late than never?

    1, 2. (a) How is Christ’s kingly activity since 1914

    depicted in the Bible? (b) What actions has Christ

    undertaken since his enthronement?

    CHRIST was enthroned as King of Jehovah’s

    Messianic Kingdom in 1914. (1874???) How

    do we imagine him now in our mind’s

    eye? As a contemplative king sitting on his

    throne, glancing down to earth from time

    to time to see how his congregation is faring?

    If so, we should revise our opinion. The

    Psalms and the book of Revelation depict

    him as an energetic king on horseback,

    riding forth “conquering and to complete

    his conquest,” continuing to ultimate “success.”—

    Rev. 6:2; Ps. 2:6-9; 45:1-4.

    HOW OFTEN IS JESUS MENTIONED IN WT PUBS AS A KING---COMPARED TO JEHOVAH? IS JESUS SEEN AS ONE WHO TAKES ACTION OR MERELY A TOOL OF GOD?

    2 Christ’s first kingly action after his enthronement

    was his victory over “the dragon

    and its angels.” As the archangel Michael

    in command of his angels (HOW DEFINITE IS THE WTS ABOUT THIS ROLE?)

    , Christ hurled Satan and his demons out of the holy heavens

    and confined them to the vicinity of the

    earth. (Rev.12:7-9) Then, in his role as Jehovah’s

    “messenger of the covenant,” Jesus

    came with his Father to carry out an inspection

    of the spiritual temple. (Mal. 3:1) He

    judged Christendom, the most reprehensible

    part of “Babylon the Great,” finding her

    guilty of bloodshed and of spiritual adultery

    with the political system of this world.—Rev.

    18:2, 3, 24.

    Did Jesus or God inspect per WT pubs?

    Was only Christendom inspected not the WTS?

    How were they lacking?

    Cross

    Christmas

    Birthdays

    Neutrality

    Pyramids

    1874 (not “corrected” till 1943)

    http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/was-watchtower-society-chosen-by-jesus.html

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/145383/1/January-15-2008-Watchtower-The-One-Mistake-We-All-Made

    Cleansing His Earthly Slave

    3, 4. (a) What work did Christ accomplish as Jehovah’s

    “messenger”? (b) The temple inspection revealed

    what, and as Head of the congregation, what

    appointment did Jesus make?

    DOES THE WTS PRESENT GOD OR JESUS AS THE MESSENGER?

    WHO DOES THE INSPECTING, GOD OR JESUS?

    IF THEY NEEDED TO BE CLEANSED WHY WERE THEY MORE ACCEPTABLE THAN CHRISTENDOM?

    HOW LONG DID THIS CLEANSING TAKE?

    CROSS

    BIRTHDAYS

    CHRISTMAS

    PYRAMIDS

    1874

    3 The inspection by Jehovah and his “messenger”

    also revealed in the earthly courtyard

    of that spiritual temple the presence of

    a group of true Christians, who were not

    part of Christendom’s churches. However,

    even these anointed Christians, or “sons of

    Levi,” needed to undergo cleansing. It was as

    the prophet Malachi had foretold: “He [Jehovah]

    must sit as a refiner and cleanser of

    silver and must cleanse the sons of Levi; and

    he must clarify them like gold and like silver,

    and they will certainly become to Jehovah

    people presenting a gift offering in

    righteousness.” (Mal. 3:3) Jehovah used his

    “messenger of the covenant,” Christ Jesus,

    to cleanse these spiritual Israelites.

    HOW ACCURATE WAS THE FOOD? IT WAS CONTAMINATED, POISONOUS.

    HOW DID THEY ADJUST THEIR “TRUTHS” WHEN THE END DID NOT COME IN 1914, 1920, 1925…

    4 Still, Christ found these same faithful

    anointed Christians doing their utmost to

    provide timely spiritual food for the household

    of faith. From 1879 onward, through

    thick and thin, they had been publishing

    Biblical truths about God’s Kingdom

    in the pages of this magazine. Jesus had

    prophesied that “on arriving” to inspect his

    domestics during “the conclusion of the

    system of things,” he would find a slave providing

    them “food at the proper time.”

    He would pronounce that slave happy

    And would “appoint him over all his belongings”

    on earth. (Matt. 24:3, 45-47) As Head

    of the Christian congregation,

    Christ has used this “faithful and discreet slave”

    to administer His Kingdom interests on earth.

    He has provided direction for the

    anointed “domestics” and

    their “other sheep” companions

    by means of a Governing

    Body.—John 10:16.

    GOVERNING BODY—PHRASE NOT IN BIBLE

    OTHER SHEEP COMPANIONS—NOT CALLED “CHRISTIANS”

    Harvesting the Earth

    5. What kingly activity did the

    apostle John see in vision?

    5 The apostle John had a

    vision of something else that

    the Messianic King would do in “the Lord’s

    day,” after He was enthroned in 1914. John

    wrote: “I saw, and, look! a white cloud, and

    upon the cloud someone seated like a son of

    man, with a golden crown on his head and a

    sharp sickle in his hand.” (Rev. 1:10; 14:14)

    John heard an angel from Jehovah tell this

    Harvester to thrust in his sickle because “the

    harvest of the earth is thoroughly ripe.”

    —Rev.14:15, 16.

    WAS JESUS ENTHRONED IN 1914 OR 1878?

    6. What did Jesus say would develop over time?

    6 This “harvest of the earth” reminds us of

    Jesus’ parable of the wheat and the weeds.

    Jesus likened himself to a man who sowed

    his field with wheat seed with a view to harvesting

    a full crop of fine wheat, representing

    “the sons of the kingdom,” true Christians

    anointed to be associated with him in

    his Kingdom. But under the cover of night,

    an enemy, “the Devil,” oversowed the field

    with weeds, “the sons of the wicked one.”

    The sower instructed his workers to let the

    wheat and the weeds grow together until

    harvesttime, at “the conclusion of the system

    of things.” At that time, he would send

    in his angels to separate the wheat from the

    weeds.—Matt.13:24-30, 36-41.

    WHO WERE THE WHEAT FROM 100 TO 1879 AD?

    7. How is Christ carrying out “the harvest of the

    earth”?

    7 In fulfillment of the vision given to

    John, Jesus has been conducting a worldwide

    harvest work. “The harvest of the

    earth” began with the gathering of the

    remaining ones of the 144,000 “sons of

    the kingdom,” “the wheat” of Jesus’ parable.

    The distinction between true and false

    Christians became ever more apparent after

    World War I, so much so that it has contributed

    to the second part of “the harvest of the

    earth”—the ingathering of the other sheep.

    These are not “the sons of the kingdom”

    but, rather, “a great crowd” of willing subjects

    of that Kingdom. They are harvested

    from among all “peoples, national groups

    and languages.” They submit to the Messianic

    Kingdom, made up of Christ Jesus and

    the 144,000 “holy ones” who will be associated

    with him in that heavenly government.

    —Rev. 7:9,10; Dan. 7:13,14,18.

    Wheat = only members of WTS; jws after 1931

    Yes, non-anointed are not sons of God, not until the end of the 1,000 year reign and are found “faithful” after the final test….Jesus is not their brother, not children of God, perhaps only grandchildren of God and children of Jesus (QUOTE)

    Leadership of the Congregations

    8, 9. (a) What shows that Christ observes not only

    the conduct of the entire congregation but also the

    lifestyle of its individual members? (b) As depicted

    on page 26, what “deep things of Satan” should we

    avoid?

    8 We saw in the preceding article how

    closely Christ observed the spiritual condition

    of individual congregations in the first

    century C.E. In our day, as reigning King invested

    with “all authority . . . in heaven and

    on the earth,” Christ our Leader exercises active

    headship over the congregations worldwide

    and their overseers. (Matt. 28:18; Col.

    1:18) Jehovah has “made him head over all

    things to the congregation” of anointed

    ones. (Eph. 1:22) As such, nothing that occurs

    within the more than 100,000 individual

    congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses

    escapes his notice.

    SO WHERE HAS JESUS BEEN DURING THE HIDING OF PEDOPHILES AND THE PERSECUTION OF THEIR VICTIMS?

    WAS IT JESUS’ WORDS THAT THE END WOULD MOST LIKELY COME IN 1925, 1975?

    9 To the ancient congregation of Thyatira,

    Jesus sent this message: “These are the

    things that the Son of God says, he who has

    his eyes like a fiery flame, . . . ‘I know your

    deeds.’ ” (Rev. 2:18, 19) He rebuked members

    of that congregation for their immoral,

    self-indulgent lifestyle, telling them: “I am

    he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and

    I will give to you individually according to

    your deeds.” (Rev. 2:23) That statement indicates

    that Christ observes not only the collective

    conduct of each congregation but

    also the lifestyle of its individual members.

    Jesus commended Christians in Thyatira

    “who did not get to know the ‘deep things

    of Satan.’ ” (Rev. 2:24) Today, he likewise approves

    of those, young or old, who refrain

    from delving into the “deep things of Satan”

    by means of the Internet or violent video

    games or by indulging in permissive

    human reasonings. How happy he is to observe

    the efforts and the sacrifices of the

    many Christians today who do their utmost

    to follow his lead in all aspects of their lives!

    WHAT ABOUT THE IMMORAL LIFESTYLE OF THESE PEDOPHILES AND THE ONES WHO SUPPORT THEM NOT THEIR VICTIMS.

    Will individuals be punished for the sins of the congregation if they are not part of it and try to make it public?

    Does a jw have to use the internet or play video games to be exposed to the deep things of Satan, such as the coverup of pedophiles in the congregations?

    10. How is Christ’s direction of congregation elders

    symbolized, but what arrangement needs to be recognized?

    10 Christ provides loving oversight of

    his congregations on earth by means of

    appointed elders. (Eph. 4:8, 11, 12) In the

    first century, all the overseers were spirit-begotten.

    They were depicted in Revelation

    as stars in Christ’s right hand. (Rev.1:16, 20)

    Today, most congregation elders are of the

    other sheep. They are appointed after prayer

    and under the guidance of the holy spirit,

    so they too can be regarded as under Christ’s

    direction, or guiding hand. (Acts 20:28)

    They recognize, however, that Christ is using

    a small group of anointed Christian

    men as a Governing Body to lead and direct

    his disciples on earth.—Read Acts 15:6,

    28-30.

    At one time only anointed jw men could be elders; as they died off, the WTS was forced to use non-anointed men.

    Do the elders show love? Do they lie, neglect, coverup, tell confidential information, make up stories, spread stories, neglect the elderly, the poor, the “weak” and “immature”?

    Except in Acts 15, when did Paul recognize any authority but Christ’s?

    “Come, Lord Jesus”

    11. Why are we eager to see our Leader come

    quickly?

    11 In the revelation given to the apostle

    John, several times Jesus said that he was

    coming quickly. (Rev. 2:16; 3:11; 22:7, 20)

    Doubtless, he was referring to his coming to

    execute judgment upon Babylon the Great

    and the rest of Satan’s wicked system of

    things. (2 Thess. 1:7, 8) Eager to see the fulfillment

    of all the wonderful events that

    were foretold, the aged apostle John exclaimed:

    “Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.” We

    who are living at the time of the end of this

    wicked system of things also long to see our

    Leader and King come in Kingdom power to

    sanctify his Father’s name and vindicate His

    sovereignty.

    Doubtless—a word that means the bible does not say, just the WTS

    Notice how the WTS says Jesus will destroy Satan’s wicked system without mention that means all 7 billion non-j2, men, women, children, babies and the unborn, for eternity.

    And jws are EAGER to see that happen.

    Sanctify name or vindicate name, “sovereignty” another word not in the bible

    12. What work will Christ complete before the

    winds of destruction are unleashed?

    12 Before Jesus comes against Satan’s visible

    organization, the last of the 144,000

    members of spiritual Israel will receive the

    final sealing. The Bible states clearly that the

    winds of destruction upon Satan’s system

    will not be released before this sealing of the

    144,000 is completed.—Rev. 7:1-4.

    “FINAL” sealing? Do they go straight to heaven then? Will some be on earth when the destruction takes place?

    Will all the 144,000 be in heaven when their marriage to Jesus takes place?

    13. How will Christ make his presence manifest

    during the first phase of the “great tribulation”?

    13 Christ’s “presence” since 1914 has gone

    unnoticed by most of earth’s inhabitants.

    (2 Pet. 3:3, 4) Soon, however, he will

    make his presence manifest by executing

    Jehovah’s judgments on the various elements

    of Satan’s system of things. The

    destruction of “the man of lawlessness,”

    the clergy of Christendom, will be an unmistakable

    “manifestation of his presence.”

    (Read 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8.) It will furnish

    concrete proof that Christ has moved

    into action as Jehovah’s appointed Judge.

    (Read 2 Timothy 4:1.) The annihilation of

    the most reprehensible part of Babylon the

    Great will serve as a prelude to the total destruction

    of that wicked world empire of

    false religion. Jehovah will put it into the

    hearts of political leaders to devastate this

    spiritual harlot. (Rev. 17:15-18) That will be

    the first part of the “great tribulation.”

    —Matt. 24:21.

    PRESENCE in 1874 or 1879---see title of WT from 1879 on

    Will jws be able to predict when Christendom will be destroyed? Do some predict?

    Where does it say Christendom will be first?

    No longer does the WTS associate the UN with this destruction but they did.

    14. (a) Why will the first part of the great tribulation

    be cut short? (b) What will “the sign of the Son

    of man” mean for Jehovah’s people?

    14 Jesus stated that the days of that tribulation

    would be cut short “on account of the

    chosen ones,” the remnant of anointed

    Christians still on earth. (Matt. 24:22) Jehovah

    will not allow this destructive attack on

    false religion to wipe out anointed Christians

    and their other sheep companions. Jesus

    added that “after the tribulation of

    those days,” there will be signs in sun,

    moon, and stars, “and then the sign of the

    Son of man will appear in heaven.” This will

    cause the nations of the earth to “beat

    themselves in lamentation.” Not so the

    anointed, who have a heavenly hope, and

    their companions, who have an earthly

    hope. They will ‘raise themselves erect and

    lift up their heads because their deliverance

    is getting near.’—Matt. 24:29, 30; Luke 21:

    25-28.

    Cut short to save the anointed on earth…who have to die anyway to go to heaven.

    Not Christians but “other sheep companions”

    Will jws see this or discern it years after as they did the inspection?

    15. What work will Christ do when he comes?

    15 Before completing his conquest, the

    Son of man comes in yet another way. He

    prophesied: “When the Son of man arrives

    in his glory, and all the angels with

    him, then he will sit down on his glorious

    throne. And all the nations will be gathered

    before him, and he will separate people one

    from another, just as a shepherd separates

    the sheep from the goats. And he will put

    the sheep on his right hand, but the goats

    on his left.” (Matt. 25:31-33) This refers to

    Christ’s coming as Judge to separate people

    of “all the nations” into two categories:

    “the sheep,” those who will have actively

    supported his spiritual brothers (anointed

    Christians on earth) and “the goats,” those

    “who do not obey the good news about our

    Lord Jesus.” (2 Thess. 1:7, 8) The sheep, described

    as “righteous ones,” will receive

    “everlasting life” on earth, but the goats

    “will depart into everlasting cutting-off,” or

    destruction.—Matt. 25:34, 40, 41, 45, 46.

    This is why the WTS no l onger says the sheep are judged before the GT. There was a time they did and felt that people who died went straight to Gehenna, no hope of a resurrection.

    “actively” supported = what does that mean?

    Obey the good news = obey the GB

    Jesus Completes His Conquest

    16. How will Christ our Leader complete his conquest?

    16 With the total number of his king-priest

    associates sealed and the sheep identified

    and placed on his right hand for salvation,

    Christ can go onto “complete his conquest.”

    (Rev. 5:9, 10; 6:2) At the head of an army of

    powerful angels and, no doubt, his resurrected

    brothers, he will destroy Satan’s entire political,

    military, and commercial system on

    earth. (Rev. 2:26, 27; 19:11-21) Christ’s conquest

    will be complete when he destroys Satan’s

    wicked system. Then he will abyss Satan

    and the demons for a thousand years.

    —Rev. 20:1-3.

    Placed on his right hand in heaven? Or still on earth…when will the go to heaven; miss the marriage?

    No doubt—another phrase that means the bible does not say

    Notice the WTS again makes no mention of the eternal destruction of the 7 billion non-jw men, women, children and babies. But Satan and demons get to live for another 1,000 years.

    Does the bible say the demons are abyssed?

    17. To what will Christ lead his other sheep during

    the Thousand Year Reign, and what should be our

    determination?

    17 Speaking of the “great crowd” of other

    sheep, who will survive the great tribulation,

    the apostle John prophesied that “the Lamb,

    who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd

    them, and will guide them to fountains

    of waters of life.” (Rev. 7:9, 17) Yes, throughout

    his Thousand Year Reign, Christ will

    continue to lead the other sheep, who truly

    listen to his voice, and guide them to everlasting

    life. (Read John 10:16, 26-28.)May we

    faithfully follow our royal Leader—now and

    on into Jehovah’s promised new world!

    Great crowd – Christians?

    Who will guide jws when the GB is in heaven?

    When do the GC get everlasting life?

    New world = not new order, new system (of things), new world society

    By Way of Review

    · ? What action did Christ take after

    · being enthroned?

    · ? What visible instruments is Christ

    · using to lead the congregations?

    · ? In what ways is Christ our Leader yet

    · to come?

    · ? How will Christ continue to lead

    · us in the new world?

    CLOSING COMMENTS

    This weekend is not as hectic. It is not that storms come into our life but how we deal with them.

    Love, Blondie

  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    Not to alter the direction of this thread, but how's your health Blondie?

  • Hecklerboy
    Hecklerboy

    Great Job again Blondie!!

    Today, he likewise approves of those, young or old, who refrain from delving into the “deep things of Satan” by means of the Internet or violent video games or by indulging in permissive human reasonings.

    What the hell does "permissive human reasonings" mean. Are JW's no longer alound to reason. Just blindly follow a bunch of old men in NY.

  • blondie
    blondie

    My tests were good; they are going to just watch my results for the next few months. I am extremely tired by the end of my work day and fall asleep around 7 pm about when I worked on my comments. My hubbie has had his health struggles recently too so we have been a little down. But we are feeling more up. I am working on my Xmas cards today and finishing the tree. It amazes me what people find new in the WT; to me it is the same old crap I listened to for 40 years. As Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun.

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    I wonder if Moses had to "remind" the Israelites that he was "the right hand of God" time after time after time, like the Governing Body seems to feel necessary to remind the flock of their leadership position right now.

    -Sab

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    Again, thank you 'Blondie'.

    P. S. The health issues you make mention of sound serious. Hope there is light at the end of the tunnel for you. Wish you & yours well!

    Sabatious:

    'I wonder if Moses had to "remind" the Israelites that he was "the right hand of God" time after time after time, like the Governing Body seems to feel necessary to remind the flock of their leadership position right now.' Right on. Another indicator of their desparate state of mind!

  • Sayswho
    Sayswho

    Thanks...

    • (Permissive) –adjective = Habitually or characteristically accepting or tolerant of something, as social behavior or linguistic usage,

    that others might disapprove or forbid."

    • Noun= authorization granted to do something; for mal consent: to ask permission to leave the room.
    WE NO LONGER HAVE PERMISSION TO USE OUR "HUMAN REASONING" WE CAN ONLY REASON ON A SPIRITUAL LEVEL OR SHOULD I SAY THEIR'S "We" will tell you when to think and when to speek Sw
  • designs
    designs

    How many of our former Religion's friends realize the Society has been teaching an old John Calvin favorite doctrine all along.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    This is another waste of paper article. Repeat the story line about how Jesus has been ruling from heaven from 1874 1914 to this date, and what is supposedly about to happen. Of course, nothing ever happens.

    True Christians? Since when do true Christians hide pedophiles, require people to snitch on each other for minor "sins(??)", houndings to do more field circus, and to live austere lives? As for Christ noticing everything, where was Christ when the witless ate the baby last July? Or, was it Satan's law enforcers that busted that witless while the congregation did nothing about it?

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