by therevealer 5 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
look at the illustration that shows a stake. Then follow the link and notice the numerous depictions of trees, crosses, etc. that clearly show that this man did not presume to know the exact means of Jesus loss of life. Now think - are they a deceptive bunch of _______.
http://ia700307.us.archive.org/28/items/ivstilipsidecruce00lipsuoft/ivstilipsidecruce00lipsuoft.pdf
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been trying to track down the source of these pictures!!!!
You are truly the revealer!
You know, I'd like for once to see the WT put as much effort as they do "debunking" shit that they themselves concede ultimately doesn't matter (love, they acknowledge, is more important than the symbol) into defending shit they say really DOES matter, like, say, I don't know, what the hell the word "generation" really means?
Where is their lengthy defense of the infamous "overlap"? Where are their illustrations, charts, scholarly quotes from other sources defending this highly anointed piece of work? Hell, I mean, even some gradeschool-level math would help out! If the "generation" - two groups or not - is still tied to 1914, that implies basic chronology, so why not even a simple equation to back up such a "crucial" doctrine?
pirata - another link to some interesting info
http://jesusisyhwh.blogspot.com/2008/03/justus-lipsius-de-cruce-liber-tres.html
Good find, TheRevealer. James Penton, in his "Apocalypse Delayed", referred to the WTS's dishonest use of this book as well. In the footnotes on page 372 he wrote:
"The society has, of course, pointed out something useful by noting that stauros does not necessarily mean 'cross' but simply a pale or timber. But nothing demonstrates so clearly how much their scholarship is affected by dogmatism than does this issue. There is a great deal of evidence from early church fathers such as Justin Martyr that Christians in his day believed that Christ was put to death on a cross. Roman writers such as Cicero state that Roman criminals were often executed on a cross, and modern archaeology supports the theory that Jews in Jesus' day were crucified on a cross.
"Finally, by showing but one illustration of Justus Lipsius' De cruce libri tres -- a picture of a man impaled on a crux simplex or upright pale -- on page 1578 of the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures with References, Watch Tower scholars falsely leave the impression that Lipsius thought thay Jesus was put to death in that way. In fact, Lipsius gives 16 illustrations of impalement, 13 of which show stakes with some sort of cross member. Although there is no conclusive proof, there is evidence that Christ died on a cross."
As "The Revealer" says, the author of this book is Justus Lipsius. The book is "De Cruce", which the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy defines as "an antiquarian treatise on the cross" (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/justus-lipsius/..
