Should we try to understand God?

by PeaceAtLast 8 Replies latest jw experiences

  • PeaceAtLast
    PeaceAtLast

    Hi, I am new here and both understand and respect, at the end of the day, we are each on our own personal journey with our own personal spirituality. I am most sincere and look forward to your kind thoughts about if we should try to understanding God.

    As a young child I remember believing in and loving God but, of course, did not think about understanding him. However, after becoming associated with JW’s, over a long time, I became more and more confused about exactly who He is. I continued to think of Him as a loving Creator and, although I felt accountable to him, believed Him to be good, kind, loving, merciful, and forgiving. However, while twice reading the entire Bible front to back, keeping up with weekly Bible reading, study, and research it took effort to balance in my mind my loving Creator with the God I was taught to fear as described in the Hebrew/Old Testament. I strove for and felt I had a good relationship with God even though I couldn’t fully understand Him. I am grateful I learned about Christ being our Savior and really appreciated how he was described as good, kind, loving, merciful, and forgiving. When the book The Greatest Man that Ever Lived was published I found myself having a deeper level of understanding and appreciation for Christ and told myself since he was the image of God this could also be used as a way to describe God. So I connected the dots of who God is by examining Christ. I felt I had a good relationship with them both. Although, occasionally, I was a little worried I would offend God because of the closeness I felt with Christ, even though this connection is what helped me to feel closer to Him. In my mind it was like the God of the Hebrew/Old Testament was one side of Him but then He decided to let us see the peaceful side of Himself by revealing His son in the Greek/New Testament, and I chose to focus on this peaceful side of God.

    In addition, I tried to balance my observation and confusion about what appeared to be unjust/unloving treatment of some, I always recited to myself what I had heard: “you don’t have all the facts” or “have faith Christ is the head of the congregation.” However, a few years ago, after I was personally assaulted with exceptionally cruel and harsh treatment, having no doubt I did know the whole story and did have all the facts, I became totally baffled. Not about these men, for I am not their judge and am fully aware we will each hold our own accounting to God and not men and those who do not practice mercy will be judged without mercy - James 2:13. Yes, I sinned and repented and have since stayed on the Bible’s “straight and narrow” and have been granted peace of heart and mind knowing I am in good standing with God and Christ and, not that it matters, was even clearly told, “we believe you are repentant and know you have been forgiven…we just don’t want to...” So initially they referred to me being “stoned” and then over time they “softened” and, even though they claim to be God’s reps, clearly said even though they know God forgave me, they “just don’t want to, so they can make an example out of me.” This situation, along with world news/events, has pretty much wigged me out regarding organized religion and, as stated, the Hebrew/Old Testament seems brutal.

    Today,somehow, I still feel a very strong spiritual connection, have faith God exists, love Christ, and have peace in knowing I am in good standing with them. I am aware that it is impossible to fully understand God and am therefore left thinking maybe I should stop trying to and just be content with the knowledge, joy, and peace I have been granted. What’s your thoughts?

    Peace

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Should we try to understand God?

    Yes, 100%.

    Can we? well... to the limited degree that we can, yes I believe so.

    How?

    It is my humble opinion that it is a combination of reason and personal revelation.

    Reason because God is logical, the world we live in is proof of that.

    Personal revelation because each one of us is unique in how we undestand things and until we personally find that "common ground" with God, we won't be able to "get there".

  • PeaceAtLast
    PeaceAtLast

    P Sacramento - I agree God is logical. I suppose nature would be my "common ground" as I appreciate everything nature offers and can't help but observe/reflect on the Creator while enjoying it. Interesting, "personal revelation," so our understanding of God is unique to ourself. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

  • LostGeneration
    LostGeneration

    Today,somehow, I still feel a very strong spiritual connection, have faith God exists, love Christ, and have peace in knowing I am in good standing with them. I am aware that it is impossible to fully understand God and am therefore left thinking maybe I should stop trying to and just be content with the knowledge, joy, and peace I have been granted. What’s your thoughts?

    It sounds like you are in a good place. What more is there?

    In the WT, they push and shove you to "do more" because it is a works based religion, so you may be feeling the residuals of that. What I mean is the left over pressure that you should be "doing something" all the time. Have you read CoC, at the end Ray has a pretty good chapter on living as a Christian without the pressure.

  • streets76
    streets76

    "...God is logical, the world we live in is proof of that."

    Yes, fleas, ticks, and other parasites are nothing if not logical.

  • PeaceAtLast
    PeaceAtLast

    LostGeneration - Good points; thanks. Looking forward to reading COC.

    streets76 - LOL

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Yes, fleas, ticks, and other parasites are nothing if not logical.

    Everything in nature serves its purpose, you're not sugessting that nature screws up in it's evolutionary process are you?

  • maurom
    maurom

    Nature can't screw up because it has no purpose, no feelings, no plan. The most adaptable organisms survive (parasites, diseases). It can create monstrosities and it can create livings of incredible beauty.

    If we attributed the existing living world to God than a lot of impossible questions arise:

    Why would God create dinosaurs and then wipe them out? Is He not perfect? Is He not wise?

    Why did He make some of the dinosaurs carnivorous before the sin of humans? Doesn't he hate violence? Is He not love?

    Why do carnivorous animals and plants exist today?

    Why do diseases and parasites exist?

    If God created them what do they say about his personality?

    This are not easy questions that's why those who believe in God often ignore them. But can we understand God if we don't understand his creation? I, myself find it impossible. If God exists, which I doubt, we can't understand Him and I don't he cares about that.

    This is just his creation, not to mention his inspired Word.

  • wobble
    wobble

    DearPeaceatLast,

    first off, A BIG WOBBLE WELCOME !!!!!!! (a bit late I know).

    I do not think that I am the right kind of person to comment too much on this thread, I am a rationalist, for want of a better term, and I only believe in what is proven by testable evidence that stands up.

    Therefore I do not believe that "God" exists as a "person" who I could get to understand.

    I do call myself an Atheist sometimes , again for want of a better term, but people when you say that think you are closed minded and whatever is presented to you, you will never believe in God. I am not like that, and I do believe in something which I call "The Divine", probably close (ish) to what the Jewish thinkers called "En Sof" (Hebrew- "without end") , but I see no evidence for a personal god.

    It seems to me that many on a spiritual journey are learning to understand, and thus come to peace with, themselves.

    That can only be a good thing, and it is sometimes called "Making god in our own image", which again is not such a bad thing, unless you have seen my image !

    I am happy for all that have achieved a settled peace, whether by faith or other means.

    The one bit of teaching that I do believe is Divine is the Golden Rule, "Never do to others what you would not wish done to You".

    Whatever people believe, or do not believe, if they live by that dictum they make the World a better place.

    Peace, happiness and well-being to you and yours !

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