How to respond if JW turns the tables re: justified deception b/c of mind control

by InterestedOne 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • InterestedOne
    InterestedOne

    I'm reading the example in Combatting Cult Mind Control where the parents deceive their cult-indoctrinated son into going to his grandmother's house, not telling him they have a counselor and former cult member waiting to talk with him.

    When the son is angry with them for deceiving him, they justify it by pointing out that because he was under mind control, they knew from his previous refusals to talk with former members or examine critical information, that he would have refused to talk with the counselor and former member if he knew their intentions.

    A JW could turn the tables on this. They could justify their use of deception because since they believe the outside world is under mind control by satan, people would refuse to talk with them if they knew the whole story up front.

    Is there any way to respond to this?

  • jay88
    jay88

    It's called snapping him out of it by the same methods that he was deceived by. Hopefully it will encourage the 'Dominoe effect'

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Ask any JW "Who is the Father of the Lie?"..Everyone of them will reply "Satan"..

    Then ask them how they feel about Theocratic Warfare Stratgey Now..

    http://www.mspmentor.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mspmentor-confused.jpg

    ........................ ...OUTLAW

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  • InterestedOne
    InterestedOne

    Outlaw - I asked my handler that, and he used the examples in the Insight books where you have Biblical uses of deception to preserve God's interests (Rahab, Jesus, etc.). When I gave him Webster's straightforward definition of "lie" as compared to the WT definition which adds the qualifier "entitled to know the truth," he said that's a problem for Webster. According to my handler, the Bible has it's own definition of "lie" like when it says God hates liars, or liars will not enter the kingdom, etc. To him, the Biblical definition of lie requires being malicious, but if you have the person's best interests in mind - which to him means leading the person to convert to the JW cult - then supposedly the Bible gives you some leeway.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    It`s alway good to Use the Bible,to Support something you Preach Against..LOL!!..

    Why even bother with Crazy people..What a waste of time..

    Let them be Vegetables..They`re happy..

    No need to think..

    "Kingdom Hall of Jehovah`s Vegetables"..

    http://www.agricultureinformation.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/colorful-vegetables.jpg

    ........................ ...OUTLAW

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    Most cults use similar logic to justify dishonesty, and Xtian ones probably all use the same scriptures as justification.

    Respond by choosing a better subject.

    Ask a question they really don't want to discuss and don't let them distract you from it.

    Anything that undermines their 'selection' is good. When were they selected? How do they know that?

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