They were at the University I teach last week. Watch this interesting conversation.
http://www.archive.org/details/AfterlifeDebateWChristopherHitchensSamHarrisRabbiDavidWolpeAnd
Afterlife, Hitchens, Harris, Wolpe.
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whereami
Funny, I was just going to post this CJ.
Here is a clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivCoqsY0fh8&NR=1
Here is a direct link to the whole debate : http://www.jewishtvnetwork.com/?bcpid=533363107&bctid=802338105001
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slimboyfat
There is something I quite dislike about Sam Harris, but he was right about it being rather boring listening to this group of men state the perfectly obvious one after another.
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zarco
San Harris has a new book - The Moral Landscpape - which is very thought provoking. His arguments seem better constructed than some of his earlier attacking style. I really enjoyed the book.
zarco
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whereami
Sam and Hitch were on their game in this debate.
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cyberjesus
what a delightful video... makes my brain breath
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glenster
Re: Afterlife, Hitchens, Harris, Wolpe
I agree with DW about MT as often being funnier about the contentions he had,
as usual. Mark tended to include himself with us without arrogance in making
fun of the foibles of people.People may have a belief in afterlife or not and contribute to the betterment
of the world. SH disagreed in making a case against belief as the choice of the
two that causes one to shirk helping others, such as the hungry, looking forward
to laughing about it in the afterlife. With certain exceptions, like the JWs
leaders' discouragment of that in favor of selling their tracts, it's the
opposite of the general understanding believers have about helping:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_(practice)CH compares it to anything that makes you feel better, which could anything in
an ammoral outlook, including crimes such as giving money to criminals for drugs,
and defines faith as a crime by describing it as claim to know with tyranny about
it. Again, the mistake he makes is that that's not faith--being 'centric and
intolerant about the belief/non-belief choice, such as making either law of the
land, is the real culprit that deserves his description. With either as law of
the land, people have been hurt or killed that shouldn't have been.One way such 'centric outlooks take form is in propogandizing againt people
different than you in such regards or others. Being respectful of the known
facts, faith in God understood as such as a hope for a God beyond them, doesn't
just mean not saying the world was created 6 million years ago--it means not
propagandizing against people different than you. Ironically, doing that like
CH is part of the worst problems and encourages division.