Satan a Murderer?

by freemindfade 9 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    So took the wives car instead of mine in today, the Watchtower was playing, I got to hear T.Morris life story as narrated by him, but that is another story entirely... Long story short, the study article it went into was about Satan. First of all the person reading sounded like the epitome of a brainwashed drone. Second this is why meeting and hearing these things make me more of an unbeliever than any exjw website. So many reasoning fallacies, so much propaganda, so much stupidity.

    One thing I thought that got me wondering, was Jesus called Satan a murderer.

    Now we have all seen the charts of of how many people in the bible God killed Vs Satan Killed. Pretty astounding, however if you even suggested such a claim to R&F they would say well Satan is responsible for ALL mankind's death. All of humanity.

    So thinking about that, something that has bothered me in the past I keep mulling over. In this work of fiction (the bible), who's fault is it? Adam and Eve and now by extension because of the desert gods perfect justice all of humanity are sentenced to death. Because they sinned! So then isn't Adam and eve the murderers? and Satan just told a fib? Or if as jesus said he is the murderer, then weren't Adam and eve just genuinely deceived? Then Satan would be the guilty one?

    Now I know Witnesses will say they are all guilty because that is the only way it will make sense, but from a theoretical standpoint, who's crime is it? If satan mislead mankind, then isn't it just that, misleading? or if Adam and eve acknowledged the risk and consequences, then was satan really guilty of murder for them pulling the trigger?

    This is why i hate all this crap, it makes my head hurt, and the only way to numb the nonsense of the bible and jw.org is to because a mindless cult drone.

  • Divergent
    Divergent
    the only way to numb the nonsense of the bible and jw.org is to because a mindless cult drone.

    Wrong. The only way is to GTFO & leave!!!

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    Just Kidding
    But of course! I am just emphasizing how a person with courage to think and reason cannot force themselves to believe all this dribble


  • cappytan
    cappytan

    First off, I don't believe in Adam & Eve or Satan. However, if the bible was true, here's my reasoning:

    If Adam and Eve were truly "free agents," then even though Satan lied to them, the fact that they were free agents means that THEY were responsible for all the imperfection and death. They were the murderers.

  • mgmelkat
    mgmelkat
    If you hired a hit man to assassinate someone for you, wouldn't you be held accountable for their murder as well as the hitman? You did (while keeping your hands clean) mastermind the whole thing.
  • Divergent
    Divergent

    God created Satan

    Satan misled Adam & Eve

    God chose to kill Adam & Eve instead of forgiving them

    Who's the murderer?

  • NVR2L8
    NVR2L8
    Why didn't god kill Satan? The lame excuse that it's to prove that some humans would always worship him is BS.
  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    mgmelkat
    That is assuming by what satan did his intention was to murder all of mankind, from the get go, didn't he just want worship? And was he such a liar?

    17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”+

    For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.”+-Satan

    Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad.+ Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life+ and eat and live forever,*—” 23 With that Jehovah God expelled him from the garden of Eʹden+ -note they did not die, but rather god had to expel them from the garden so they couldn’t eat the Magical Fruit (not beans I’m sure)

  • My Name is of No Consequence
    My Name is of No Consequence

    @ Just Kidding:

    That was perfect.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    Also why did the angels have no obedience "tree" since the tree according to the insight book was symbolic of god being the final say on obedience. When you research sin as I did many years ago, its interesting to note the "original sin" did not happen on earth. No, it happened in heaven with an arrogant angel made the decision to go against god's wishes. Satan committed the original sin, Adam and Eve were casualties. yet it seem for 6000 years according to this book of myth, man has bore the brunt of the pain and suffering while the original sinner is blamed for inflicting it.

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