The Worldwide Recession

by JamesS 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • JamesS
    JamesS

    Hi Everyone,

    As we read everyday in every paper and website, and hear in every TV programme, we are in a recession. Now, I understand that house prices have dived, stock prices have fallen, production has gone down, various financial crisis have occured, and currencies have devalued slightly due to inflation etc, but, here is a question I'd like to ask all you members:

    If there is the same amount of money* in the world now as there was before everything suddenly went to the wall, who the hell has got it?

    Regards,

    James

    *in fact there is more since we've printed more....

  • sinis
    sinis

    Banks and gov't bonds. Central banks print money to lend to banks and they also print money to allow their own treasury to buy its own debt. Its actually a depression. If you look at stats we are currently worse off than the Great Depression. The gov't numbers are cooked and they are down playing the crisis...

  • JamesS
    JamesS

    But our banks and governments are claiming they are broke?

    I think some super rich bugger has got it all stashed under their matress......

  • sinis
    sinis

    Broke in the sense that debt has exceeded income. Just look at the dollar index, its falling. The US alone had something like 120 TRILLION in unfunded/funded obligations, while the world in general has 1.6 QUADRILLION in debt via derivitives. If ALL debt was wiped out, there would be no cash in circulation - interesting, isn't it... our money, as is most is based on debt and fractional reserve - more debt than assets.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    The Rothschilds are to blame. The whole system is structured so they own all the central banks, operating them from London. Every country is forced to have a central bank tied to the Rothschilds (or the president will be assassinated), and this is what runs that country. The governments are kept in debt to these central banks, and cannot possibly balance the budget. Even if they took 100% of income as taxes and spent nothing, the Rothschilds would prevent them from ever balancing the budgets.

    They share one thing in common with the Washtowel Babble and Crap Slaveholdery. They bleed the countries' accounts every time a country is starting to build a little surplus. They also seek world dominance--both wish to control the whole world forever. The Washtowel would have its fake Christianity, similar in appearance to the First Dark Ages but worse. The Rothschilds want everyone to live in cages, separated only with chicken wire, and to work 16 hours a day 7 days a week as their slaves (doing what they hate doing the most). The difference is that the Washtowel doesn't have quite enough money to enslave everyone without using Christianity (or a fake version) to do it; the Rothschilds do.

  • free2beme
    free2beme

    Money and value, two totally different things.

    You have $100,000 in cash in a pile and in ten years you look at that pile, still $100,000. Cold hard cash. Still same amount still same worth.

    You have a house, worth $250000. It is not cash, it is valued at that amount based on what is apraised value. Of which, that value is based on what other houses in your area sale for, what the market rate is, etc. So, as long as other houses in your area sale for an amount that keeps up with your value, you still have $250000 value in your home. Now, your neighbor three doors down losses his job, can not afford his home. He does not want to foreclose, so he goes to his bank and says he wants to do something else. They do a short sale, which is when they sale it below value and take a less loss (Banks take no real loss). It sales for $120000. That then affects the appraisal value of all houses in your area, as a house closed on a sale at $120000. So now, without you doing anything, your house value is $180000. $70000 in net worth, just left the local economy. One street over, a woman losses her job and has to move. Her house is not worth $60000 less then she owes, so she knows she can not sale it, so she moves to another city and buys a new home and lets the old one foreclose. The bank takes it, and does not want to hold on to it long. So they sale it for $80000 at auction. Now, your house is worth $125000. Yet you have not nothing, just sitting there and making your payment. So within say, six months, your house is now $125,000 less then it was before. 50% of net worth in the world is missing, that quickly. Doubt me, check your value on zillow.com. Might need some tissues for your tears.

    Next topic, stocks. You buy stock at shares worth $100 in a company that is just kicking ass with profits. This company is called Lender Source LTD and they can do no wrong. You by $1000000 in shares. It doubles in value as the housing industry booms, now you have $2000000 worth of wealth. However, it is in stocks and based on value. Unless you sale right now, no cash in the bank, but with this kind of stock and with this growth. Hang on! Over night, the housing industry slides, you wake to your stock now being $850000. Yes, it dropped and you should sale, but it is now worth less then you put in. So you hold on and watch it go down, down, down, and soon it is worth $250000. It was never a pile of cash though, it was a value in stocks, and the value shunk based on an economic turn. Your wealth dropped without you doing anything. Wealth in the world dropped too, when you times what you did by all the investors.

    I guess what my point is. Is that people see money or wealth in the world by that pile of cash I mentioned, and not by the examples of property and stock worth. Which is really just numbers and no printed money to back it up. So basically, no government or person went out and grabbed cash and threw it away. In fact, some countries printed more, which lowers value and that is another topic all together. Either way, it was value that disappeared and not cash. So if you see it that way, it makes more sense.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    It's a good, simple question:

    Here is the money you are looking for, even though it didn't just accumulate to this astounding point in this last financial debacle; but as you might imagine, the very wealthy are able to easily take advantage of financial crisis and accumulate more wealth even as everyone else suffers:

    But wait, that is only an in-the-stadium eye view of this chart. You have to pull back a few miles to really see it:

  • wobble
    wobble

    What I would like to know is, who unloaded those Toxic Loans that started the whole slide, and why aren't they contributing to help us poor ones who did nothing wrong ?

    And why are the same idiots who bought those loans still allowed to play dice with our futures ? and still working for the same banks, and picking up huge bonus payments ?

  • free2beme
    free2beme

    People with money have power, complain all you want, you don't have enough money to do anything but complain into thin air.

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