The History of Writting Can Help us with Genesis!

by D wiltshire 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    I'm reading a book by Isaac Asimov called:
    "Beginnings:
    The story of Origens-
    of Mankind,
    Life, the Earth,
    the Universe"
    Page 36 says that writting began around 3000 BC(5000 years ago).
    If that is true where did the accounts in Genesis 1-3 come from if no writting existed back at Adam creation in 4004 BC?

    And if the accounts of Genesis 1-3 were carried by memory and latter put in writting do we really have a good understanding of the primative language and writting at this time to fully understand it the way it was ment to be understood???

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • aChristian
    aChristian

    Dave,

    The answer to part of your question seems pretty simple. According to the Bible Adam lived 930 years. That means that, if he was created in about 4000 BC, he died in about 3000 BC, the time Asimov estimates written records of historical events first began to be made. So then, if Asimov is correct, many of the events recorded in Genesis may have been written down by Adam and his immediate descendants, and then those written records may then been added to and passed down from generation to generation, and eventually been presented to Moses by the Hebrew people he had helped to free to assist him in his writing of Genesis.

    However, eyewitness accounts cannot explain all of the contents of Genesis. Some things, such as the events which occurred prior to God's creation of Adam, must have been revealed to Moses, or to an earlier writer of the records Moses referred to when he wrote Genesis, by God Himself. For no man was around to witness the events recorded in Genesis which occurred before God created man.

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    To older brother,

    Thank you. That sounds so beautiful!

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    aC,

    Would you like to share some things you have learned in your studies of Genesis, the first 3 chapters?

    Why did Satan use a serpent, and what could have been his motive?

    Why did Adam and his ofspring live so long, wasn't that abnormal for men in their days?

    Was their any people Adam was in contact with in the garden?

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • GinnyTosken
    GinnyTosken

    Let us refer in our Boomer Bible to Gods 6:23-24 and Lies 1:1-6.

    Ginny

    GODS

    Chapter 6

    1 But then it happened, after seven years of plenty of everything, that things went wrong,
    2 As they often do,
    3 And there wasn't any rain, and the crops were pitiful,
    4 And the game got scarce,
    5 And one of the neighboring tribes invaded the valley and took away most of the virgins, as well as plenty of heads and other body parts.
    6 Whereupon the apes cried out angrily to the priests, saying,
    7 "Hey, we don't understand this at all.
    8 "What about all the food and weapons and body parts we've given to the Gods?
    9 "Have they forgotten about us already?
    10 "Honestly, we're very discouraged with the whole thing."
    11 The priests considered the words of the tribe very carefully,
    12 For about six weeks,
    13 Which was way too long,
    14 But at last the priests triumphantly announced that they had the answer,
    15 And the people crowded around to listen, saying,
    16 "This had better be good."
    17 So the priests cried aloud, in a high, shaky voice, saying,
    18 "The Gods have become bored with your offerings,
    19 "Which are puny and insignificant, consisting of little more than food and weapons and body parts, and every once in a while, a virgin.
    20 "The Gods need more than small change if they are to go on giving you rain and crops and so forth."
    21 "Well, then, what do they want?" asked the tribe, and beads of sweat stood out on their forehead.
    22 "They want monuments and temples, made of stone, with plenty of writing on them, singing the praises of the Gods, as well as prayers and idols and that sort of thing."
    23 "What is writing?" asked the tribe. "We have not heard of this before. Is it hard to get? Does it involve killing?"
    24 But the priests smiled broadly, and replied, "Writing is not hard at all. It does not involve killing, but you'll like it anyway."
    25 And then the tribe was well content, saying,
    26 "We'll get right to it, then. But what is a temple?"
    27 And the priests smiled, saying, "Don't worry. We'll explain everything as we go."

    Chapter 7

    1 And so it happened that the apes called men went to work for their Gods, building many great monuments and temples,
    2 And writing many praises and prayers and other inscriptions in stone,
    3 So that seven times seven generations of their race worshiped the same Gods and invented all manner of things to please them,
    4 Including many elaborate ceremonies intended to honor the Gods in their temples,
    5 And many new cities in which to build temples and other monuments to the Gods,
    6 And wars against other tribes which did not worship the same Gods,
    7 And who therefore needed to have their cities and monuments and temples destroyed,
    8 Completely and utterly,
    9 And their fields burned and sown with salt,
    10 And their women raped,
    11 And their people enslaved,
    12 So that even bigger temples and monuments could be built,
    13 To sing the praises of the great, generous Gods who had made the earth and the seas and the beasts of the field,
    14 And who had made the cleverest of the apes into a powerful nation of priests and warriors and builders and writers,
    15 Which was the greatest gift of all,
    16 And which was called civilization.

    LIES

    Chapter 1

    1 From the time that the first pictogram was inscribed on a rock, the ape called man recorded words of all descriptions on rocks and stones of all descriptions.
    2 As the inscriptions grew old and became one with the stone they defaced, the apes came to believe that the words were wise.
    3 And as generation followed generation,
    4 New inscriptions were added to the old, and the apes believed these too because they were written in stone,
    5 And if it happened that one inscription said something different from another inscription,
    6 The priests were there to explain everything.

    from The Boomer Bible by R.F. Laird

  • GinnyTosken
    GinnyTosken

    As for Adam, let us turn our Boomer Bible to Lies chapter 2 . . .

    Ginny

    LIES

    Chapter 2

    1 And so it happened that, in time, the apes came to believe that there was only one God,
    2 Who had made everything all by himself,
    3 In seven days and seven nights,
    4 Starting completely from scratch,
    5 When everything was null and void,
    6 At the beginning.
    7 And this was not all they believed,
    8 For they also believed that they were descended directly from the first two people on earth,
    9 Who were also not apes, but a man named Adam and a rib named Eve,
    10 Who started out living in a paradise called the garden of Eden,
    11 But got kicked out forever because Eve committed a great sin,
    12 By eating an apple she got from a serpent,
    13 Which turned out to be a bad apple,
    14 Because the serpent was really the devil,
    15 And the apple was really the knowledge of good and evil,
    16 Which Eve should have left alone,
    17 Because the apple turned out to be responsible for everything wrong in the world,
    18 Including the Curse,
    19 The Mark of Cain,
    20 The Whore of Babylon,
    21 The Wrath of God,
    22 The Day of Judgment,
    23 And much more besides,
    24 Especially sin and guilt, which everyone is full of from birth,
    25 So that there is no good and no peace of mind, except from the one God,
    26 Whose name is Yahweh,
    27 But isn't to be mentioned out loud,
    28 By anyone.
    29 Nor was this all they believed.

    Chapter 3

    1 They believed that God had Chosen them especially as his own tribe,
    2 Like pets,
    3 And given them all manner of special treatment,
    4 Including great leaders like Abraham,
    5 Who tried to sacrifice his son Isaac because God told him to,
    6 Although God spared Isaac, because he was only kidding about the sacrifice,
    7 So that Isaac had sons of his own,
    8 Who were Jacob and Esau,
    9 One of whom had a hairy birthright,
    10 And something happened between them,
    11 Something too complicated to remember.
    12 Nor was this all they believed.

    Chapter 4

    1 They believed that after getting Chosen as God's special tribe,
    2 Their wisest leaders worked out a written contract with God,
    3 Called a Covenant,
    4 Which spelled everything out pretty clearly,
    5 About who was supposed to do what.
    6 For example, if God yelled "Jump!" at the Chosen Tribe, they were supposed to ask, "How high?" and then get right to it,
    7 No matter what it was God wanted.
    8 In return for this sort of behavior, God agreed to look after the Chosen Tribe in his own special way,
    9 Seeing to it, for example, that the Chosen Tribe would be specially singled out for persecution by every other tribe on earth,
    10 Forever.
    11 When they saw what a great Covenant they had made,
    12 The Chosen Tribe built a special ark to keep it in,
    13 So that they could read it whenever they got confused,
    14 Which was plenty,
    15 What with one thing and another.

    Chapter 5

    1 But in spite of the apple and sin and guilt and the Covenant,
    2 The Chosen Tribe also believed that God loved them,
    3 Even if he had a funny way of showing it,
    4 Such as threatening to destroy everyone in the world,
    5 Which he did every so often,
    6 Like whenever he got mad.
    7 And then one time when he was really mad,
    8 He went ahead and did it,
    9 And destroyed everybody in a tremendous flood,
    10 Except for Noah and the passengers he took on his ark,
    11 Which wasn't the same ark they kept the Covenant in,
    12 Because when Noah asked for help in building his,
    13 The leaders told him that one ark was enough for any Chosen Tribe,
    14 And if Noah couldn't see that,
    15 He must have a screw loose,
    16 Or words to that effect.
    17 And so Noah built his own ark,
    18 And filled it with two of each kind of animal that wasn't too big to fit inside,
    19 Such as dinosaurs,
    20 Which were too big to fit,
    21 Apparently,
    22 And didn't get to go,
    23 Although the ark went all the way to Mount Aarat,
    24 Thus saving Noah,
    25 And making it possible for God to keep showing his love in the oddest possible ways.

    Chapter 6

    1 And so it came to pass that Noah begat a son,
    2 Who begat a son,
    3 And so forth,
    4 And so on,
    5 Until there were a lot of people again,
    6 Which convinced God that it was time to destroy some more things,
    7 Such as Sodom and Gomorrah,
    8 Which wasn't really God's fault,
    9 Because he warned everybody not to try dating his Angels,
    10 Which they went ahead and tried anyway,
    11 Resulting in lots of fire and brimstone from you know who,
    12 Which didn't kill Lot,
    13 Because Lot didn't try to date any Angels,
    14 Although it did kill Lot's wife,
    15 Who didn't try to date any Angels either,
    16 But she was a woman,
    17 And God thought he'd like her better if she was something else instead,
    18 Maybe something quieter,
    19 And so he turned her into a pillar of salt,
    20 Which stopped her from talking,
    21 Completely.

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    Here is some more from the Book “Beginnings:…” by I. Asimov page 41

    If we were to decide that modern man began, quite suddenly, some 40,000 years ago, it need not bother those who would prefer to accept the biblical account.

    According to Genesis 1:26-27, ”And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our own likeness…So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him...”

    In Genesis 2:7, in a second account of creation, the Bible says,”And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

    Either way, whether God merely expressed his will, or whether he actual formed a human being of clay as a potter forms a vessel, one moment human beings did not exist, and the next moment they did.

    Although Bishop Ussher calculated that this creation took place in 4004 B.C. , his calculations are not the word of the Bible. The Bible itself does not give the time; it does not say how long each creative day was, it does not say how long the primeval years were or whether there were any gaps in the record. If modern man came suddenly into existence 40,000 years ago, as archeological evidence seems to show, then might that not still fit the biblical account.

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • aChristian
    aChristian

    Dave,

    You asked: Would you like to share some things you have learned in your studies of Genesis, the first 3 chapters?

    I'm going to be pretty buzy the next few days. I'll e mail you privately as soon as I get a little time.

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