We were taught that the challenge to Jeh in the Garden...... had to be answered because all the angels were watching and it would take time to work it all out. Where's the challenge? Eve ate and DID NOT become smart like God so that part was answered. Then, If Jeh. zapped her, maybe even before she got to Adam, second part is answered, she would not live forever. DEATH TOLL----3, Eve, Satan, and a snake just for good measure. No scripture to even support this 'challenge' idea because all the angels were watching. I think they just borrowed that idea from Job. DEATH TOLL from not taking care of business immediately, Jesus, billions of humans, inconprehensible amounts of suffering, millions of scraficial animals, who knows how many angels turned demon. It's just how the borg explains why Jeh. allows suffering, and I used to believe it, but THOUSANDS of years of human suffering and death just to make a point just doesn't make any sense.