Amen-amen Connection?

by patio34 5 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  patio34

  Hi all,

  I have been reading 2 books by Gary Greenburg ("The Bible Myth" & 101 Myths of the Bible). His entire focus is on tying the biblical stories to the Egyptian mythology. It's all interesting.

  Now, much mention is made of 'Amen,' a prominent Egyptian god, the one before all the other gods.

  The WORD 'amen,' is, as far as i could find in etymological sources, a Hebrew word indicating solemnity and agreement.

  IF the Hebrews' religion was influenced by the Egyptians, as the author extensively argues, does this word 'amen' have a connection with the god 'Amen'?

  Does anyone know anything about this? The author hasn't made that connection yet in my reading, but it keeps occurring to me.

  It may be it is simply unknown where the Hebrews got that word, as we don't have their etymologies.

  Another thing: it does make a lot of sense for them to have extensive Egyptian influence as Joseph married and Egyptian high priest's daughter, his son was trained in their chief religious center, Moses was trained from childhood on in Egyptian culture, and the entire group of Hebrews is said to have spent centuries in Egypt.

  Anybody know anything about the amen/Amen connection?

  Pat
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  patio34

  Bttt in case any Egyptologists missed it!

  "It's easier to put on slippers than to carpet the world." (from "Stuart Saves His Family")
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  Mr Rocky

  Have done extensive research on this subject and have found this subject to be most interesting. Even wondered while sitting at meetings why those two names are so similar (Jesus the Amen, and Ammon-Ra (Amen)). Basically I have discovered the connection is in etymology. The word means (Hebrew and Egyptian) 'to trust.' Jesus is one that you trust, and the Egyptians trusted Ammon-Ra. Egyptologists say that Amen means 'the hidden one.' A closer look at the hieroglyphs and hymns to Ammon-Ra define Amen as the one who is trusted instead of 'the hidden one.' I think this is because the 'mn' root in Hebrew and Egyptian has something to do with trust. I've done a lot more research on this subject but don't have it in printable or publishable format yet.
  Rocky
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  patio34

  Hi Mr. Rocky,

  I hope that you are able to post some of the info and references that you found about this Amen-amen correlation. Thanks for responding. It's certainly a coincidence that the Hebrews used that term so much and the Egyptians had one of their primary gods names Amen. Many of their pharoahs, i believe, had Amen in their names, Tuthankamen being one.

  Pat

  "It's easier to put on slippers than to carpet the world." (from "Stuart Saves His Family")
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  Mr Rocky

  Hi! Pat again!
  Yes the Pharoahs did use the name Amen in their names after all they were the son of god(Amen). Their last name then being Amen so to speak, I think anyway. I have wondered about how one separates myth from the true God, whether or not the Israelites just invented a new myth? If one reads books implying such then your faith undergoes a struggle, but just because words are used by both beliefs doesn't make them the same belief. Otherwize we would have had to invent a new language just for talking about a true god as opposed to a false one. Many scholars think that the mosaic law was completely different than what went before but I am convinced that was not the case. It was actually much more of the same, animal sacrifices and traditions but to the extreme. I think that God was teaching them because of long ago (clear from Abel & Cain) that, okay if this is what is stuck in your brain that this is how to serve god, I am going to teach you a lesson. A tutor leading to Christ. I want mercy not sacrifice and so on. A plan from the begining at the garden of Eden with this necessary diversion along the way to the covnant of love. Remember their instinct was to make the golden calf, they were Egyptian for all intents and purposes. How do you change them, considering all they had to learn, with a new language, hardly!
  Christ was the fundamental change not the mosaic law.
  Has anyone seen (speaking of funny words) the similarities in the word Pharoah(strongs5328)and Pharisees(strongs5330)? Only one word apart in Strong's Dictionary (greek)! Strongs says that Pharisee means separatist, the scholars waffle on this though. I have never read that they think it is from Pharoah though. However if Pharoah means ruler and the Pharisees were religious rulers then there could be this connection at least from the same Hebrew root word. I would guess the sees on the end of this word just means plural. The Holy Sees for example. So that the word Pharoah didn't mean a bad thing to the Jews, just meant ruler, like the word king to us. It didn't, untill later, take on the disgusting meaning it has because of our view we have now. Hitler was thought of as good at first by the Germans, we have a different view now. This is just a wild idea I doubt it would fly with etymologists.
  Rocky
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  patio34

  Hi Rocky,

  Sorry i didn't see your post a few days ago. Thanks for the similarities.

  In a couple of word-origin books, they say that there have been attempts to connect Amen-amen, but it doesn't correlate. However, the way i see it is we may not know the origin of an ancient Hebrew word, after all, if it were not recorded.

  Another source is looking up the hierglyphics to see what 'amen' meant in Egypt. I'll post it if he remembers!

  Pat