Using Christianity as a badge...

by garyneal 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    First a little backdrop...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo

    Now, my wife says that people who exit the witness religion should just walk away and speak not of them anymore. Also in the case of myself, I should just leave it alone and let her do her thing. Now, the problem I have with it is that this is not some benign religion that simply tells people how they can be good people and love the Lord, etc, etc.. As you all know, this religion teaches that all non witnesses are bad people including those people who believe the Bible and God. Also, this religion also teaches people to allow themselves and their children to die over the GB's latest interpretations of 'abstain from blood,' whatever that may be at any given particular time. These affect me and those I love in real ways.

    But one point in this video that stood out in my mind, though it wasn't brought out directly, is that as a Christian, I do not have to imagine what it would be like if a group of Voltron believers didn't view my beliefs as valid, or if somehow they viewed me as bad because I was not a part of their 'little club.' I know from personal experiences with Jehovah's Witnesses what it feels like to be viewed as bad, bad associations, not a very moral guy, or even someone who wants to lead people away from God all because I am not a part of a special little club that comprises a mere one tenth of one percent of the whole world's population. Prior to meeting my wife, I never had an issue with witnesses and even considered the possibility that they were a valid sect of Christianity. In spite of the phrases I heard from other Christians concerning them such as, they're false teachers, false prophets, they teach false doctrines, etc.. I was being accepting of their beliefs but they were not being accepting of mine.

    But then it dawned on me. How many atheist out there feel like they have to keep their views secret for fear of the responses they might receive from theists (particularly in this Christian nation)? My truck has an oil leak that I think may be the oil sending unit. A friend of mine from work suggested three mechanics to look at it, saying that one of them is very honest, very nice, and a Christian.

    Hmmmm, I thought, so if I say someone is a Christian then it is like:

    this person is automatically good, moral, and trustworthy.

    There is also a former JW at my job who, when we were talking religion, let out that he was an atheist. He then immediately had to qualify his beliefs, why?

    Anyway, this led me to post the following comment on my facebook page: Not all Christians are good people and not all good people are Christian.

    Just thinking...

  • NomadSoul
    NomadSoul

    I think talking politics and religion at work is a bad idea. I've been asked at work a couple of times about my religion and I answer that I'm an atheist and do not discuss anything further. That goes for sharing any other details of your personal life, it's not a good idea.

    But outside of work I do not keep it a secret if it comes up. Some like to have a full discussion, some just leave it at that. My family has everything from JW's to Mormons. So at reunions sometimes they ask me and I warn them about opening that door... I get to have a good time messing with their heads. LOL

    Now when it comes to dating, that's where it does get a bit difficult. Specially if the woman is a church going person. I clarify that at the beginning. Because I have had bad experiences where later in the relationship it becomes a problem. Now that I think about it... I haven't dated a girl who was completely an atheist, where are they? Am I looking at the wrong places? lol

    Bottom line is that everybody judges at some level, even atheists. We are not free of that human condition. Some people like wear that "badge", my only advice is to be careful where you were it.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep
    Now, my wife says that people who exit the witness religion should just walk away and speak not of them anymore

    So .......... If a Catholic becomes a Dub ......... they should not trash Catholics and their doctrines any more?

    Or ...... Should they not go knocking on doors telling all and sundry that Catholic doctrines are all from Satan and are designed to get them and their children killed by Watchtower god some time in the next few weeks/months/years/decades/how long is it?

    Nearly every excuse a Dub uses to weasel their way out of the shit has a parallel in what they say about their 'adversaries'. Look for it and try and strike while the iron is hot.

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    The best christians are those who you don't know are christian.

  • Murray Smith
    Murray Smith

    Whether you believe it or not . . . it's mildly reassuring that's it's Christ who seperates the "sheep from the goats" eh?

    MS

  • trevor
    trevor

    Badges have their uses. When I was an immature JW in my 20s, I used to wear a large round badge fitted to the back of my lapel. People would notice the edge of the hidden badge, reach out and turn my lapel to see the badge. It said.

    Stop

    Touching

    Me!

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    Now, my wife says that people who exit the witness religion should just walk away and speak not of them anymore. Also in the case of myself, I should just leave it alone and let her do her thing.

    Witnesses talk bad of other Christians all the time. They also talk bad of non-Christians all the time. If they can't leave all those outsiders alone to do their thing, how can they expect others to do it for them?

    To me, that's all just more proof of it being a cult. They feed on the bogus claim of "persecution."

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    You reminded me of an evangelical Christian I interviewed for a job. I knew she was an evangelical Christian, of course, because she wore her cross prominently on her lapel, and let it drop about her beliefs during the interview.

    One problem.

    She blew the sorting test she was asked to perform on the way in to the interview. She changed all the rules and sorted the cards to suit herself. The result was chaos.

    She wasn't getting within ten feet of my file room!

    Why did she insist on "giving a witness" in the interview? Because this is what suited her world-view, of course! She was living her beliefs, and "giving a witness" wherever she went. A hundred points towards her heavenly reward. Somewhere in her belief system, however, she missed the lesson on listening and observing.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Christianity has become more about saying things than doing things. Practical things.

    Happy Jesus talk makes me want to yak up a furball.

    Customers who "praise jesus" or tell me to "have a blessed day" aren't trying to be obnoxious.

    I interpret their style as obnoxious. The friction is inside me.

    No need to grab them by the lapels and shake them. What would that say about me?

    How about I just accept what they are? That would mean seeing superzeal as a natural thing.

    Dogs bark. Ducks quack. Christians "praise the Lord" and "have a blessed day."

    Now doesn't this make me relax a little better? Kind of. Not entirely.

    Accepting "diversity" in others isn't just smiling at every single kind of behavior no matter what.

    I have the Walstrom Doctrine I envoke.

    If you deliberately violate my neutral space by injecting religion into our discourse I am going to "restore the balance"

    by calling you out IN THE SAME TONE.

    Example: "Are you having a blessed day today?" (customer to me as I shelve books)

    "Well, since 'blessed' mean 'happy' and I am a happy fellow...I guess you could say that. Thanks for asking!"

    Example: "Jesus told me to look for a certain book_________, do you have it?"

    "Maybe I should step back and let Jesus show you where it is!" (spoken with a sweet smile, I might add)

    Does this really work? No. I am being transferred to the HISTORY section next week :)

  • garyneal
    garyneal
    I think talking politics and religion at work is a bad idea. I've been asked at work a couple of times about my religion and I answer that I'm an atheist and do not discuss anything further. That goes for sharing any other details of your personal life, it's not a good idea.

    I understand and agree that the topic of religion and politics are best not shared in a work environment, but my company tends to be a laid back easy going place where people feel free to discuss just about anything. We even have a small devotional group that I take part of. Of course, we've been bought out and are in the process of being merged so this 'laid back' atmosphere is liable to disappear over the course of this year. I'll miss it if it does.

    That said, I generally don't go around speaking about religion and politics but I do not mind talking about it if the subject is brought up. I try to remain neutral in most cases, sticking with the most objective and logical observations whereever possible.

    So .......... If a Catholic becomes a Dub ......... they should not trash Catholics and their doctrines any more?
    Or ...... Should they not go knocking on doors telling all and sundry that Catholic doctrines are all from Satan and are designed to get them and their children killed by Watchtower god some time in the next few weeks/months/years/decades/how long is it?

    I know, funny how witnesses cannot see this. They have no problem what-so-ever in pointing out the flaws in other churches and other religions but when someone points out the flaws in their's, they always have excuses. We're imperfect, that's old light, etc, etc.. I was open enough to listen to them and even agree with them on points that I thought they were correct about, but they constantly use special pleading when something is applied to them.

    The best christians are those who you don't know are christian.

    Good point, they live it not talk it or display it.

    Whether you believe it or not . . . it's mildly reassuring that's it's Christ who seperates the "sheep from the goats" eh?

    Yep, nice to know that either way, men are not the judges.

    People would notice the edge of the hidden badge, reach out and turn my lapel to see the badge. It said. Stop Touching Me!

    Nice, definitely good for a laugh.

    Witnesses talk bad of other Christians all the time. They also talk bad of non-Christians all the time. If they can't leave all those outsiders alone to do their thing, how can they expect others to do it for them?

    The more I hear them speak on how in tune with the 'truth' they are and how much closer to the Bible they are compared those churches in Christendom, the more I think to myself, "Wow, they sure seem to have a great deal of pride in their beliefs. Isn't that a bad thing?"

    Why did she insist on "giving a witness" in the interview? Because this is what suited her world-view, of course! She was living her beliefs, and "giving a witness" wherever she went. A hundred points towards her heavenly reward. Somewhere in her belief system, however, she missed the lesson on listening and observing.

    Yes, I think you nailed it. It seems like people who go out of their way to insert 'praise the Lord' or some other Christian phrase in their everyday conversations seem to do so thinking that God is watching and is scoring some 'brownie points' with the man upstairs. Almost as if Christians believe that doing so made them look more spiritual or may help them earn their ticket to Heaven or something. Something you would expect Jehovah's Witnesses to do.

    My mother-in-law did something like this at an Aquarium in (or near) Atlantic Beach, NC. She would look at all the the different creatures swimming in the various tanks and go, "Isn't it wonderful how Jehovah can make such wonderful creatures?" She was even doing it around some of the people who worked there while they were explaining what the creature was, how they lived, eat, swam, etc.. I think even her husband was a bit uncomfortable with her doing that. I guess Jehovah gave her 1,000 points that day, with an addition 500 bonus points for making even her MS husband uncomfortable. Plus she could count it as FS time and score points with the FDS. She's batting a thousand there.

    Christianity has become more about saying things than doing things. Practical things.

    Agreed.

    Customers who "praise jesus" or tell me to "have a blessed day" aren't trying to be obnoxious.

    Agreed, the 'have a blessed day' does not rub me as badly though since I believe that even though it tends to be a Christian phrase, I can imagine a witch saying something similar. Blessed Be.

    Being a Christian myself, I do not get as offended at the occasional Christian remark. In some cases, I can appreciate the zeal they have especially if it seems genuine. I guess when they go overboard and try to insert it in situations that don't seem to call for it (like in jgnat's example or the example I gave concerning my MIL) is where I think the line should be drawn. But I guess each person has his or her own threshold.

    Example: "Jesus told me to look for a certain book_________, do you have it?"
    "Maybe I should step back and let Jesus show you where it is!" (spoken with a sweet smile, I might add)
    Does this really work? No. I am being transferred to the HISTORY section next week :)

    Now that's funny! I can imagine that person feeling VERY awkward and if prone to anger the first to complain to your boss.

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