Lead Books: Lose Cross, Run With Yahweh?

by metatron 7 Replies latest jw friends

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  metatron

  If these lead books prove to be genuine, they may present the 'Bernie Madoff' Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses with a dilemma:

  Should they highlight them because they may mention 'Yahweh' in a Christian context or reject them because Jesus didn't die on a stake?

  If they are smart ( and who knows, given their ignorant, biased frame of mind), they might run with the 'Yahweh' stuff. OTOH, Witnesees are so utterly delusional, they could hold on to the stake and extol the 'Yahweh' stuff and the zombie publishers might not notice.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372741/Hidden-cave-First-portrait-Jesus-1-70-ancient-books.html

  It's interesting stuff.

  metatron
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  Morbidzbaby

  A few of us here have already tried mentioning this to family who are still in. We're usually met with the same response. No interest. The guard goes up, and they refuse to hear it and, in my case, even get angry.

  I think that even if the GB were to recant and say "Well, yeah, Jesus apparently did die on a cross", many would just be so brain-dead that it wouldn't register. And I'm pretty sure they'd make up some excuse as to why we shouldn't recognoze the cross anyway because of its Pagan origins and make sure that everyone knew that it doesn't matter WHAT he died on, and even though this "new light" shows that we were mistaken, we should still not have any involvement with the cross at all.

  They also MAY take the smaller sections of these writings and prove the name YHWH, which would tickle the little dubbies asses to see, and yet not really mention that it talks about the cross at all. I mean, look how much spin doctoring they've done throughout the years. They are masters at manipulating what is written to fit their agenda! They're masters of mind control and the dubs will believe what they are TOLD to believe. I don't foresee that this will be a huge issue.
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  Satanus

  I put my money on them doing the selective quoting thing. Dubs are used to ignoring what the gb tells them not to see.

  S
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  metatron

  I agree. They can get away with almost anything in WatchtowerLand. It's sinking into becoming delusional.

  I sometimes wonder if there ever could be a degree of internal contempt for publishers wherein the Writing Staff/GB basically start laughing about what is possible in the Awake and elsewhere as to quotations out of context or entirely invented, with no references cited.

  The only cliff this drives over would be a sort of brain drain in which they collectively get so almost hallucinatory that the organization ceases to function, financially or legally.

  metatron
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  jeckle

  sorry if i pissed some of you off when i started the troll thing . I know i'm a newbe but i have an opinion too that being said i will watch it .but that also being said some people here go off a lot worse then that on others.but really i'm sorry i dont want to hurt know one i like it here because since my exit youz guyz really have been a form of therapy.

  on topic i would love to show this to my brothers and atleast start to get them to start thinking but i dont know if even this would work, because if the wbts doesnt mention it it doesnt exist.
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  Mad Sweeney

  Even for the Borg, there would still be the problem of there not being a J, an E, an O, a V, or an A in YHWH. They only have 2 out of 7 letters correct in their made-up-borrowed-and-popular "divine name." That hasn't seemed to slow them down before, though.
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  GOrwell

  I'm going with the selective quoting, as well. Then, 5 years down the road, when some JW has read actual information about the documents, they'll do a quick QFR about the cross portion. By then, virtually all JW's will have forgotten about the whole issue.
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  Earnest

  It is interesting stuff, but this is a report by a tabloid newspaper given to sensationalism. The more sober Jewish Chronicle (March 3, 2011) had this to say :

  Robert Feather is out to prove the sceptics wrong. A metallurgist with a passion for archaeology, he has been asked to help authenticate what he believes could be one of the most exciting religious discoveries since the Dead Sea Scrolls.
  
  The West London Synagogue member has previously published a book on the Copper Scroll, the Dead Sea Scroll thought to hold clues about the location of buried Temple treasure.Now he is trying to establish the origins of a mysterious cache of metal books which could be linked to the Kabbalah.
  
  The objects belong to Hassan Saeda, a Bedouin farmer in Galilee who says they have been in his family's possession since his great-grandfather found them in a cave in Jordan, a century ago.
  
  His collection consists of more than 20 codices (early books), cast mostly in lead and containing cryptic messages in Hebrew and Greek along with symbols such as the menorah. In various places, the Hebrew letters appear to stand for Bar Kochba, leader of the second-century Judean revolt against the Romans; and the talmudic mystic Shimon bar Yochai, who hid from the Romans in a cave for 13 years.

  Larry Hurtado provides what I would suggest is a more balanced view in his blog on the lead codices. There is also a wikipedia article which also seems more balanced in its reporting.