Peace, Security, & Conflict -all at once?

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  • proplog2
    proplog2

    Two things need to be watched in the current relationship between
    the USA (King of the South) and Russia (King of the North). Prior
    to the North's attack on the South there is both 1. Pushing of the
    North by the South & 2. A general feeling that there is peace and
    security: Dan 8:25 "during a freedom from care he will bring many
    to ruin" NWT - "When they feel secure, he will destroy many and
    take his stand against the Prince of princes." NIV "and in their
    security shall he destroy many: he shall also stand up against the
    prince of princes" ASV

    The following quotes illustrate these two currents churning:

    U.S., Russia at odds over war on terrorism
    By John Chalmers

    MUNICH, Germany, Feb 3 (Reuters) - Russia laid bare its differences
    with the United States over the war on terrorism on Sunday,
    challenging President George W. Bush's attack on the "axis of evil"
    and accusing the West of double standards.

    The cracks emerged at a security conference in Munich over the
    weekend as Washington, ratcheting up its rhetoric against Iraq and
    Iran, signalled it could take pre-emptive action.

    U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told the meeting on
    Saturday that countries tolerating terrorism would be held to
    account and referred to the State of the Union address last week in
    which Bush described Iraq, Iran and North Korea as an "axis of
    evil" seeking weapons of mass destruction.

    But Russia, which has better relations with all three, insists the
    U.S.-led campaign against terrorism in Afghanistan must not be
    expanded to other countries and has been increasingly irritated by
    the American sabre-rattling.

    Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov, in a blunt rebuff, told
    Wolfowitz and the other delegates on Sunday there was no evidence
    that Iran had connections with terrorist organisations.

    And he said Russia had its own list of "rogue states," naming U.S.
    ally Saudi Arabia, which Moscow says helps fund Chechen separatists
    fighting its own troops: "Not many people in the West like the fact
    that we have some commercial ties with the countries which you
    describe as rogue states," Ivanov said.

    "Well, we don't like...some of your allies like Saudi Arabia or
    Gulf states who give finance to terrorist organisations."

    He warned that disagreements over who was counted a terrorist could
    undermine the U.S.-led coalition Russia has joined against the
    Islamists that the United States blames for the September 11
    attacks on New York and Washington.

    Washington Post
    February 3, 2002
    Strategic Odd Couple
    By Jim Hoagland

    President Bush has scrapped the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, put
    American troops into Central Asia along Russia's borders and
    signaled that the United States will PUSH a vigorous new round of
    NATO expansion in November -- all in four months and all without
    provoking serious outcry from Moscow. Vladimir Putin's Russia is
    the bear that did not growl.

    In the sharpest paradox of current global politics, the personal
    relationship between Putin and Bush seems stronger today than it
    was before Sept. 11. On that infamous day, the Russian president
    was the first foreign leader to reach Bush. He used Cold War
    emergency communications links -- the hot line -- to notify the
    White House that Russia was canceling military exercises
    immediately.

    And Bush's subsequent decision to withdraw from the ABM Treaty to
    pursue unconstrained missile defense tests did not inflict the
    severe damage to U.S.-Russian relations foreseen by many in Europe
    and here.

    Putin's restrained reaction vindicates the Bush team's hard-nosed
    judgment that they could build a new relationship with Russia that
    was not centered on arms control. "Bush has understood that Putin
    is committed to stabilizing Russia and has accepted him as a
    genuine partner," German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said on a
    visit to Washington, in which he did not voice earlier criticisms
    of U.S. missile defense plans.

    Putin now faces grumbling over his conciliatory approach on missile
    defense, Central Asia and NATO from Russia's military and foreign
    affairs community. He has taken political arrows to the chest on
    strategic issues that boost Bush with his conservative base here.
    But there are now signs that the White House sees the huge
    political deficit Putin has been willing to run as ultimately
    unsustainable.

    Unlike Boris Yeltsin, Putin does not cloak his actions in
    sentimentality or the passions of the moment. The former KGB
    lieutenant colonel is a cold, calculating customer willing to make
    a virtue of Russia's weakness for the time being.

    Bush is instinctive while Putin is cerebral. But each strikes the
    other as decisive, frank and stubborn in his politics. These are
    not bad qualities for a strategic Odd Couple who should now move
    rapidly and forcefully to cut and reshape nuclear arsenals that can
    still obliterate human destiny within a few minutes."

    END OF QUOTES

    Dan 8:25 "And according to his insight he will also certainly
    cause deception to succeed in his hand." Putin seems to be a little deceptive.

  • Fredhall
    Fredhall

    Proplog2,

    You haven't see nothing yet.

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